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26-06-2013, 04:17 PM
RE: מלאך יהוה
(26-06-2013 02:17 PM)kim Wrote:  Hypno-toad maked me puke a rainbow. Undecided
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This is why we can't have nice things. Angry

But, obviously, assigning identity to god is fail. Simulation of mind of another in mind is a human evolutionary imperative. To know the mind of god is thus not to know the mind of god, but ourselves. And amongst ourselves, leaders form. This process of identifying god may be an evolutionary advantage whose time of advantage has passed.

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26-06-2013, 05:18 PM (This post was last modified: 26-06-2013 07:23 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: מלאך יהוה
(26-06-2013 04:17 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:  
(26-06-2013 02:17 PM)kim Wrote:  Hypno-toad maked me puke a rainbow. Undecided
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This is why we can't have nice things. Angry

I'm with Kim, hypnotoad felt like a bad peyote trip to me.

(26-06-2013 04:17 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:  This process of identifying god may be an evolutionary advantage whose time of advantage has passed.

Might be something to that.

(26-06-2013 08:17 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  And maybe if we can get past the stereotype of insanity as an absolute negative, maybe theists and atheists can reach an understanding based on reality. Consider

If I don't admit reality, does that make me insane? ... Functionally insane for the muthafuckin' win then bitches! Tongue

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26-06-2013, 07:32 PM
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(26-06-2013 08:17 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  I was reading maklelan's blog (specifically http://danielomcclellan.wordpress.com/20...proposals/) and was all inspired to run my neck... Big Grin

Is this like Metatron or something? Consider

I remember like "being infused with Holy Spirit" in becoming a prophet (cause peeps too dumb to understand god so ya gotta become part god to have godly thoughts), and the above reads to me like a visualized manifestation of Holy Spirit.

Which of course in atheistic terms translates to hallucination, and prophet to fucking nutbag (that's me! Big Grin ); nevertheless, Holy Spirit is the total "reality" of god. To put a whole bunch of things together, if the form of schizophrenia (an hypothesis) that produces prophets also produces commonalities in religious and philosophical thought through those prophets, then maybe god is a form of insanity that confers evolutionary advantage to homosapiens sapiens. And maybe if we can get past the stereotype of insanity as an absolute negative, maybe theists and atheists can reach an understanding based on reality. Consider

"And maybe if we can get past the stereotype of insanity as an absolute negative"

As a young fellow I was mildly fascinated by the concept of insanity. Six months working on a psychiatric ward cured me of that fascination. There is nothing particularly interesting, noteworthy, or meritorious about being insane. To be insane is to be psychotic; one suffers from delusions ie bizarre thoughts, or hallucinations, which may be visual, auditory, tactile or olfactory. Nearly always the person ceases to function effectively. They can't hold down a job or maintain interpersonal relationships. They are frequently a danger to themselves and sometimes a danger to others. Their relations and other loved ones are usually exasperated, and desperate to find a solution. Alcohol, marijuana and other mind altering drugs are very often a part of the picture, as the victim searches for ways to make themselves feel better, but they only exacerbate the problem.

Psychotic people have normal intelligence and some of them are highly intelligent. Very occasionally they only suffer mildly from the psychosis and therefore can be quite interesting and charismatic characters. I suspect Joseph Smith of Mormon fame was one such person, as may have been Muhamed, the founder of Islam, if he ever really existed. But more often than not the victim is a loner, a person who dwells on the fringes of society.
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26-06-2013, 08:12 PM (This post was last modified: 26-06-2013 09:07 PM by houseofcantor.)
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(26-06-2013 07:32 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  As a young fellow I was mildly fascinated by the concept of insanity. Six months working on a psychiatric ward cured me of that fascination. There is nothing particularly interesting, noteworthy, or meritorious about being insane.

The relation of schizophrenia to prophecy, I hypothesize, is the schizoid having a skewed time perspective. The schizoid cannot process sequential events as c follows b follows a but rather experiences events out of sequence or processes simultaneity. The problems of not perceiving the relation of cause to effect should be obvious, but the potential benefit is as you imply, obscured.

Yet the contention that there is no merit in insanity is equally without merit. Essentially I'm provided a stipend to obsess over Gwyneth Paltrow, a minor but not trivial consideration. Insanity has obviously contributed to art and literature; and the study of insanity, I speculate, has forwarded the study of mind. It has also been conjectured that the line between genius and insanity is thin indeed, yet the research I have done on this in the past has proven inconclusive.

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26-06-2013, 09:06 PM
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(26-06-2013 08:12 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:  
(26-06-2013 07:32 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  As a young fellow I was mildly fascinated by the concept of insanity. Six months working on a psychiatric ward cured me of that fascination. There is nothing particularly interesting, noteworthy, or meritorious about being insane.

The relation of schizophrenia to prophecy, I hypothesize, is the schizoid having a skewed time perspective. The schizoid cannot process sequential events as c follows b follows a but rather experiences events out of sequence or processes simultaneity. The problems of not perceiving the relation of cause to effect should be obvious, but the potential benefit is as you imply, obscured.

Yet the contention that there is no merit in insanity is equally without merit. Essentially I'm provided a stipend to obsess over Gwyneth Paltrow, a minor but trivial consideration. Insanity has obviously contributed to art and literature; and the study of insanity, I speculate, has forwarded the study of mind. It has also been conjectured that the line between genius and insanity is thin indeed, yet the research I have done on this in the past has proven inconclusive.

I was perhaps a little too didactic in my comments. Marginally insane people (it is not an all or none phenomenon) can contribute to society. My comments were meant to try and put insanity in general in perspective. It is true that some geniuses have been insane, although I would say that their periods of brilliance were only when they were not truly psychotic. Psychosis tends to be a fluctuating phenomenon, particularly with the use of modern medications.
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