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11-01-2016, 09:59 AM
RE: 1000 Muslims celebrate New Year in gang attacks on women in Germany
(11-01-2016 09:12 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(11-01-2016 08:56 AM)Dom Wrote:  One needs to focus on cultural indoctrination and the need to respect the customs of a host.

No one is entitled to respect. The host better earn your respect before you afford it to them.

If the host country doesn't have one's respect, why the fuck emigrate there? Consider

You are talking out your ass again.

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11-01-2016, 10:00 AM
RE: 1000 Muslims celebrate New Year in gang attacks on women in Germany
(11-01-2016 09:45 AM)Eva Wrote:  No Tomasia they don't. If you go to someones house you do not shit on the carpet. You respect that person who has allowed you into their home. If you do not like the way they live you can fuck off and not visit again.

As can anybody who emigrates to a different country. If it turns out you do not gel with your host nation and you do not like the lifestyle you are free to move elsewhere to somewhere you feel happier in. Whole nations do not have to change because a bunch of newcomers don't like it.

You assert this as if there's some authority behind it but there's not. If someone comes to our nation, and feels content to do little else then reek chaos and havoc, they can just give a middle finger to your pretensions. You declare it as if you imagine it holds some sway or power, while the people you declare it to, will likely laugh and steal your purse while they're at it.

The great disillusionment for liberal secularist, is that no one cares about their moral demands and pleadings, whatever divine power that they believed laid behind it centuries ago, has long been dead.

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11-01-2016, 10:00 AM
RE: 1000 Muslims celebrate New Year in gang attacks on women in Germany
(11-01-2016 09:57 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(11-01-2016 08:09 AM)BryanS Wrote:  There is a history of mysogony in Christianity as well, however nothing exists in Christianity today that compares to Islam's treatment of women. If you cannot see this, then please, keep researching this. If you do see this, then why are you excusing this?

Wrong. Look at some of the fundamentalist sects, e.g. Mormons.

Well, I'm not sure what Mormons really are--cult, Christian, or some kind of hybrid. But I am not writing in defense of Christianity.

However please do show me a religious ruling that explains what kinds of rape of your women's slaves is OK by a modern leader of religion. I linked to an Islamic one above. It is absurd to say that the Mormons and all their failings are "just as bad", however bad they are.
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11-01-2016, 10:22 AM
RE: 1000 Muslims celebrate New Year in gang attacks on women in Germany
(11-01-2016 10:00 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(11-01-2016 09:45 AM)Eva Wrote:  No Tomasia they don't. If you go to someones house you do not shit on the carpet. You respect that person who has allowed you into their home. If you do not like the way they live you can fuck off and not visit again.

As can anybody who emigrates to a different country. If it turns out you do not gel with your host nation and you do not like the lifestyle you are free to move elsewhere to somewhere you feel happier in. Whole nations do not have to change because a bunch of newcomers don't like it.

You assert this as if there's some authority behind it but there's not. If someone comes to our nation, and feels content to do little else then reek chaos and havoc, they can just give a middle finger to your pretensions. You declare it as if you imagine it holds some sway or power, while the people you declare it to, will likely laugh and steal your purse while they're at it.

The great disillusionment for liberal secularist, is that no one cares about their moral demands and pleadings, whatever divine power that they believed laid behind it centuries ago, has long been dead.

Tomasia, most of the time I have no idea what on earth you blather on about which is why I rarely respond to your posts.

What has liberal secularism got to do with abiding by the way of life and the law of your chosen nation? Nations have laws, in the UK, these laws are decided by parliament who consist of representatives of the nation as a whole, they are then double checked by the House of Lords before it is passed. If we do not like how those MP's do things we have the opportunity to vote them out. Ya know...democracy. Now if you cause chaos and havoc, groping women and stealing purses and are generally a pain in the ass then you will be prosecuted for flaunting those laws. That's how societies work however many middle fingers are waving around.

And since liberal secularism is the division of church and state WTH has a divine being got to do with anything?

As I said if people do not like the way of life of the place they have moved to they can move elsewhere. Nations do not have to grovel after the respect of newcomers.

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11-01-2016, 10:28 AM
RE: 1000 Muslims celebrate New Year in gang attacks on women in Germany
(11-01-2016 09:59 AM)Chas Wrote:  If the host country doesn't have one's respect, why the fuck emigrate there? Consider

You are talking out your ass again.

Because your parents likely made that choice for you. And since you've grown up here it's unlikely you'd want to start over again somewhere else. It might all come down to the lesser of two evils. American Atheists should understand this right? The sort that often scorn their own country while speaking highly of their European counterparts. Hardly any of them seem particularly inclined to move.

So if you're here, and can let out a little bit of steam by wrecking a little bit of havoc and chaos, why not? Who gives a shit that it's offends your particular sensibilities? Your not an authority over them, regardless of how passionately you desire to be.

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11-01-2016, 10:43 AM
RE: 1000 Muslims celebrate New Year in gang attacks on women in Germany
(11-01-2016 09:12 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(11-01-2016 08:56 AM)Dom Wrote:  One needs to focus on cultural indoctrination and the need to respect the customs of a host.

No one is entitled to respect. The host better earn your respect before you afford it to them.

Ah so, if I invite you into my place and feed and clothe and house you, you are going to disrespect me because I haven't earned your respect? Guess how fast you are going to be naked and hungry in the streets!

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11-01-2016, 11:05 AM
RE: 1000 Muslims celebrate New Year in gang attacks on women in Germany
(11-01-2016 10:28 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(11-01-2016 09:59 AM)Chas Wrote:  If the host country doesn't have one's respect, why the fuck emigrate there? Consider

You are talking out your ass again.

Because your parents likely made that choice for you. And since you've grown up here it's unlikely you'd want to start over again somewhere else. It might all come down to the lesser of two evils. American Atheists should understand this right? The sort that often scorn their own country while speaking highly of their European counterparts. Hardly any of them seem particularly inclined to move.

So if you're here, and can let out a little bit of steam by wrecking a little bit of havoc and chaos, why not? Who gives a shit that it's offends your particular sensibilities? Your not an authority over them, regardless of how passionately you desire to be.

"Your (sic) not an authority over them, regardless of how passionately you desire to be."

You're not someone with a respected opinion on this forum because you haven't earned it. And if you break the rules, they'd kick you the fuck out. Why? Because that is how reality works when there are rules and laws.

Your opinions are complete and utter trash full of vitriol and bullshit.

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11-01-2016, 11:06 AM
RE: 1000 Muslims celebrate New Year in gang attacks on women in Germany
Cologne attackers were of migrant origin - minister

I would break it down like this...

Are all migrants muslims??? No.

Were the migrants who did these attacks all muslims??? Who know's.

Have all of the migrants come from countries that have different cultures and values to the ones in Europe and in Germany??? Yes.

Has Islam played a part in defining the cultures and values of the countries where the migrants have came from??? Some yes, quite strongly, others to a lesser extent.

Is Islam a problem??? Yes, it is part of the problem but there are other factors that also need to be taken into consideration.

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11-01-2016, 11:18 AM
RE: 1000 Muslims celebrate New Year in gang attacks on women in Germany
(11-01-2016 10:22 AM)Eva Wrote:  What has liberal secularism got to do with abiding by the way of life and the law of your chosen nation?

How about when that way of life doesn't particularly appeal to you? What if the way of life that appeals to you is one the undermines the values and beliefs of your chosen nation, rather than one that abides by them? Rather than one that seeks order, it's one that seeks disorder?

Quote:Nations have laws, in the UK, these laws are decided by parliament who consist of representatives of the nation as a whole, they are then double checked by the House of Lords before it is passed.

And there's plenty of people who are willing to give the middle finger to whatever set of laws you throw at them. Take those Oregon Ranchers, who showed no reluctance in defying the law. In fact they've been offered no legal reprecussions, as long they leave now.

Quote:If we do not like how those MP's do things we have the opportunity to vote them out. Ya know...democracy. Now if you cause chaos and havoc, groping women and stealing purses and are generally a pain in the ass then you will be prosecuted for flaunting those laws. That's how societies work however many middle fingers are waving around.

Plenty of people get way with flaunting those laws, and in this case you'd have to catch them first. Good luck with that.

Quote:And since liberal secularism is the division of church and state WTH has a divine being got to do with anything?

As I said if people do not like the way of life of the place they have moved to they can move elsewhere. Nations do not have to grovel after the respect of newcomers.

And people don't have to grovel to the sensibilities of a nation, particularly when they're not worried about the consequences.

I mean how many times have people thrown the "move somewhere else" line to atheists who complain about America? They're likely unfazed by it, just like your young European Arab having his fun.

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11-01-2016, 11:24 AM
RE: 1000 Muslims celebrate New Year in gang attacks on women in Germany
(11-01-2016 11:06 AM)bemore Wrote:  Cologne attackers were of migrant origin - minister

I would break it down like this...

Are all migrants muslims??? No.

Were the migrants who did these attacks all muslims??? Who know's.

Have all of the migrants come from countries that have different cultures and values to the ones in Europe and in Germany??? Yes.

Has Islam played a part in defining the cultures and values of the countries where the migrants have came from??? Some yes, quite strongly, others to a lesser extent.

Is Islam a problem??? Yes, it is part of the problem but there are other factors that also need to be taken into consideration.

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