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19-08-2014, 04:55 PM (This post was last modified: 19-08-2014 06:05 PM by goodwithoutgod.)
12 arguments evolutionists should avoid, according to AIG
Oh my, I actually took the top five and dismantled them with great joy as this weeks assignment in my evolution class. The subject was pick an anti evolution website and site, and counter their claim, I did so gladly. I was laughing so hard, I just HAD to share this link to delusion at its best.

WARNING: Do not be drinking something as you read it, you may choke to death laughing. Link below as well as the copy paste, whichever your preference Thumbsup

https://answersingenesis.org/theory-of-e...uld-avoid/

Argument 1 Evolution is a fact
When our core beliefs are attacked, it’s often easy for humans to retreat to statements such as this: “My belief is a fact, and yours is wrong.” That’s exactly why we cannot trust mere human understanding to explain the unobservable past—emotion and pride get in the way. Evolution is not a fact, no matter how many times evolutionists say it is. It’s a framework built on assumptions about the past—assumptions that will never have direct, first-hand, observational proof.


Argument 2 Only the uneducated reject evolution
Besides the arrogance of such statements, this argument has no footing and should be cast off. Mainly, those who make this claim usually define “educated people” as those who accept evolution. Anyone who disagrees fails the test, no matter what their background (e.g., if we follow this ideology, Isaac Newton must have been uneducated). There are many lists of well-educated scholars who look to the Bible for answers (here’s one)—and we could point out Darwin’s own deficit of formal education (he earned a bachelor’s in theology). But the bigger issue is that education—or lack—does not guarantee the validity of a person’s position.


Argument 3 Overwhelming evidence in all fields of science supports evolution
The irony, of course, is that for centuries prior to Darwin’s publication of On the Origin of Species, the majority of scientists found the opposite to be true: the “evidence” supported creation. What changed? Not the evidence. Rather, the starting point changed (i.e., moving from the Bible, God’s Word, to humanism, man’s word). Creationists continue to see everything in light of God’s Word and all evidence as supporting the biblical account. In reality, there is no “neutral” starting point; everyone—whether they acknowledge it or not—interprets the “facts” according to a particular way of thinking (i.e., worldview).


Argument 4 Doubting evolution is like doubting gravity
Why does this argument fail? We’ll show you. Take a pencil or pen. Hold it in the air. Then drop it to the floor. That’s gravity. Next, make a single-celled organism—like an amoeba—turn into a goat. Go ahead. We’ll wait. . . . No? As you can see, there’s a fundamental difference between operational science, which can be tested through repeatable experimentation, and historical science, which cannot.


Argument 5 Doubting evolution is like believing the earth is flat
Ironically, the Bible describes the earth as round and hanging in space—long before this could have been directly observed (Job 26:10; Isaiah 40:22). The appeal of this claim is that it stereotypes creationists as stuck in the past, since the common assumption is that people once universally believed the earth was flat before science “proved” otherwise (which wasn’t the case—only a few bought into the idea that the earth was flat). But even if this were true (it’s not), direct, repeatable observation shows us the earth is round and orbiting the sun. Evolutionary stories about fossils are not direct observations; they’re assumption-based beliefs.


Argument 6 It’s here, so it must have evolved
A conclusion does not prove the premises are true. That is, if the answer is “four,” we could arrive at that any number of ways: 2 + 2, 5 - 1, etc. In the same way, evolutionists often assume that since certain species or traits exist, this is proof of evolution because that’s how it must have happened. This argument, however, is self-reflexive and useless. The Bible offers another (and more sound) framework for how those traits and species came to be.


Argument 7 Natural selection is evolution
This is likely the most abused argument on the list—and most in need of being scrapped. Often evolutionists bait people into showing them a change that is merely natural selection and then switch to say this proves molecules-to-man evolution. However, this is quite misleading. Natural selection, even according to evolutionists, does not have the power to generate anything “new.” The observable process can only act upon existing characteristics so that some members of a species are more likely to survive. In fact, it’s an important component of the biblical worldview.


Argument 8 Common design means common ancestry
Historical common descent is not and cannot be confirmed through observation. Rather, certain observations are explained by assumptions about the past. These observations, we might add, have alternative explanations. Common body plans (homology), for example, do not prove common descent—that’s an assumption. A common Designer fits the evidence just as well, if not better.


Argument 9 Sedimentary layers show millions of years of geological activity
Sedimentary layers show one thing: sedimentary layers. In other words, we can—and should—study the rocks, but the claim that rocks prove the earth must be billions of years old ignores one important point: such an interpretation is built upon a stack of assumptions. When we start from the Bible and examine the rocks within the framework of a global Flood, the need for long ages vanishes.


Argument 10 Mutations drive evolution
Perhaps because of movies and fiction, the popular idea is that mutations make evolution go. Given enough time, shifts in the genetic code will produce all the variety of plants and animals on earth—and beyond. The problem? Mutations cannot produce the types of changes evolution requires—not even close. Some may benefit an organism (e.g., beetles on a windy island losing wings), but virtually every time mutations come with a cost.


Argument 11 The Scopes trial
Misconceptions about the Scopes trial run rampant. Often, accounts sound something like this: Fundamentalist Christian bigots arrested an innocent biology teacher fighting for scientific freedom, and while they won the court case, they ultimately lost the public perception battle to the well reasoned presentation of the defense. Thanks to the play Inherit the Wind, this common—though completely flawed—perception of the event continues to be used against creationists. But real history presents a much different account.


Argument 12 Science vs. religion
News stories thrive on conflict and intrigue, and one common theme presents science and religion as opposing forces—reason struggling to overcome draconian divine revelation. It grabs attention, but it’s bunk. Many atheists and humanists oppose biblical Christianity, but science does not. After all, the truth of a risen Savior and an inerrant Bible puts quite the damper on the belief that God cannot exist. However, science, as a tool for research, works quite well within (and, in fact, requires) a God-created universe. Otherwise, there’d be no reason to do science in the first place.

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19-08-2014, 05:15 PM
RE: 12 arguments evolutionists should avoid, according to AIG
Glad you laughed - I facepalmed...


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19-08-2014, 05:23 PM (This post was last modified: 19-08-2014 05:35 PM by CleverUsername.)
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(19-08-2014 05:15 PM)CiderThinker Wrote:  Glad you laughed - I facepalmed...

I felt the overwhelming urge to make my way to where ever Ken Ham lives and beat him with a science text book. Confused

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19-08-2014, 05:33 PM
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Nobody causes my admittedly self inflicted concussions more than ken ham.


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And without so much as a mere touch, cut me into little pieces

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19-08-2014, 05:38 PM
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They're all stupid, #4 is beyond idiotic. WOW!
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19-08-2014, 05:49 PM
RE: 12 arguments evolutionists should avoid, according to AIG
Argument 4- Grad your butt, what is that? A tailbone? Why do we have a tailbone? It's like we're a monkey or something!

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19-08-2014, 05:54 PM
RE: 12 arguments evolutionists should avoid, according to AIG
You can't fix stupid Drooling

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19-08-2014, 06:02 PM
RE: 12 arguments evolutionists should avoid, according to AIG
I'm not scientifically inclined but evolution seems so completely logical even to my simple mind. It just makes sense. I certainly need to get a good book, or many books, and read more about the details. Anyway, I came across this information on evolutionary biology and cancer research which might be another arsenal for those who love to debate evolution deniers.

http://www.acad.ro/sectii2002/proceeding...oviste.pdf

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19-08-2014, 06:05 PM
RE: 12 arguments evolutionists should avoid, according to AIG
Argument 1 Evolution is a fact
Evolution is a universally accepted Scientific Theory which is falsifiable but hasn't been falsified, consistent with the evidence and has led to many subsequently verified predictions.

Argument 2 Only the uneducated reject evolution
Beliefs make fools of even the highly educated.

Argument 3 Overwhelming evidence in all fields of science supports evolution
Over time, with use of the scientific method, advancing technology and accumulative knowledge and genius, humans have been able to reveal the wealth of details abundant in nature. Humans have been able to objectively discover more facts, attributes and information from things that were previously simply defined as rocks, dirt, air, trees, bones, flesh...

Argument 4 Doubting evolution is like doubting gravity
Prior to Newton people didn't know why things fall. Newton thought it was due to a force, Einstein thought it was due to the shape of SpaceTime. Science has progressively shown us better ways to explain our experiences of reality.


Argument 5 Doubting evolution is like believing the earth is flat
direct, repeatable observation (of fossils, DNA, geology etc) shows us that creatures evolved over time

Argument 6 It’s here, so it must have evolved
Straw


Argument 7 Natural selection is evolution
Almost
Evolution is natural selection + decent with modification

Argument 8 Common design means common ancestry
A plethora of scientific explanation consistent with the theory of Evolution vs God did it.

Argument 9 Sedimentary layers show millions of years of geological activity
When we start from the Bible and don't worry ourselves with the details in the evidence and don't worry about documenting detailed peer reviewed scientific explanations for those details then we build our "knowledge" upon a stack of assumptions

Argument 10 Mutations drive evolution
It seems that the Creationists accept natural selection and accept that mutations occur.
Why can't they join the two? 1+1=Evolution.


Argument 11 The Scopes trial
Straw


Argument 12 Science vs. religion
Irrelevant
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19-08-2014, 06:12 PM
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(19-08-2014 06:02 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  I'm not scientifically inclined but evolution seems so completely logical even to my simple mind. It just makes sense. I certainly need to get a good book, or many books, and read more about the details. Anyway, I came across this information on evolutionary biology and cancer research which might be another arsenal for those who love to debate evolution deniers.

http://www.acad.ro/sectii2002/proceeding...oviste.pdf

I have two really good books that are relatively inexpensive on amazon:

Coyne, J. (2009) Why evolution is true. London: Penguin Books Ltd.

Shubin, N. (2008) Your inner fish. New York: Vintage Books

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