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28-03-2015, 07:14 AM
RE: 1st amendment
(27-03-2015 11:39 PM)Reltzik Wrote:  Oh, and also, the executive branch cannot independently implement such policies under its own authority, because it is technically a creation of Congress (one of the first things they did after the Constitution was ratified) and is thus bound by the same restrictions.

No.
The U.S. Constitution is comprised of the articles and the ammendments.
Article I establishes The Legislative Branch (Congress). Article II establishes the Executive Branch (the Presidency). Article III establishes the Judicial Branch (Supreme Court). These articles describe the form, function and authority of each of the branches.
The ammendments, particularly the first ten, are a list of restrictions on the authority of government. The first prohibits the government from restricting the free exercise of religion, speech, and freedom of the press.

Territories desiring to join the U.S., in order to apply for statehood, are required to draft a state constitution that roughly parallels and is subject to the federal constitution.
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28-03-2015, 09:00 PM
RE: 1st amendment
Quote:The U.S. Constitution is comprised of the articles and the ammendments.


It's actually a bit more than that. As Chas notes above, the wording of the first amendment says ""Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." However, there are a myriad of court cases which do exactly that....remember the demonstrators in Ferguson who tried to peaceably assemble in the middle of the street until the Stormtroopers started firing tear gas at them. The mormons had to disavow polygamy to gain statehood. The government is constantly trying to gag reporters working on stories that some fuckhead decides are about "national security."

Our system of laws is based upon precedent. And man, we have some shitty precedents out there.

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28-03-2015, 09:09 PM
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(28-03-2015 09:00 PM)Minimalist Wrote:  
Quote:The U.S. Constitution is comprised of the articles and the ammendments.


It's actually a bit more than that. As Chas notes above, the wording of the first amendment says ""Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." However, there are a myriad of court cases which do exactly that....remember the demonstrators in Ferguson who tried to peaceably assemble in the middle of the street until the Stormtroopers started firing tear gas at them. The mormons had to disavow polygamy to gain statehood. The government is constantly trying to gag reporters working on stories that some fuckhead decides are about "national security."

Our system of laws is based upon precedent. And man, we have some shitty precedents out there.

Yes, and freedoms can be curtailed based on compelling interests as well.
Mostly I was responding to the assertion that the executive was a creation of congress.

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28-03-2015, 09:29 PM
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(27-03-2015 06:08 PM)TarzanSmith Wrote:  Found out something interesting. The first ammendment states that only congress will not make any laws regarding religion. Theoretically states are allowed to do what they want regarding religious laws. Of course I have very little knowledge of American law since I am a Canadian, so I don't know what supreme court or amendments have since changed that.

Great. So Islam can become the state religion of ummm .. New Jersey. Thumbsup

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29-03-2015, 08:18 AM
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The Constitution is a complex and continually-evolving document. What it says now is not what it said when first ratified, due to numerous amendments. In addition, the courts have the job of interpreting what the Constitution means, so that more than 200 years of court decisions are applied when deciding what the Constitution actually means, and these court decisions reverse each other from time to time.

The fact is that without years of study and hundred if not thousands of volumes of court decisions, you cannot make authoritative pronouncements about the Constitution. Fringe wackos who declare that the income tax or paper money are illegal because of a long-since amended line from the Constitution are as wrong as the fringe wackos who with no physics education think they've invented a perpetual motion machine, or fringe wackos who with no education in biology think they are qualified to reject evolution.

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29-03-2015, 08:21 AM
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The OP is simply applying the twisting and turning of words to make them fit what he believes to be true. Much like the convolution of bibble verses to fit the beliefs.

Wonder if the same style of reading comprehension works when reading a technical manual or assembly instructions. Drinking Beverage

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29-03-2015, 09:06 AM
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(29-03-2015 08:21 AM)Anjele Wrote:  The OP is simply applying the twisting and turning of words to make them fit what he believes to be true. Much like the convolution of bibble verses to fit the beliefs.

Wonder if the same style of reading comprehension works when reading a technical manual or assembly instructions. Drinking Beverage

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29-03-2015, 09:10 AM
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(29-03-2015 09:06 AM)NoSkyDaddy Wrote:  
(29-03-2015 08:21 AM)Anjele Wrote:  The OP is simply applying the twisting and turning of words to make them fit what he believes to be true. Much like the convolution of bibble verses to fit the beliefs.

Wonder if the same style of reading comprehension works when reading a technical manual or assembly instructions. Drinking Beverage

Millions of IKEA customers will tell you "yes".Yes

You think IKEA instructions are ambiguous?

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29-03-2015, 09:18 AM
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(29-03-2015 09:10 AM)The Polyglot Atheist Wrote:  
(29-03-2015 09:06 AM)NoSkyDaddy Wrote:  Millions of IKEA customers will tell you "yes".Yes

You think IKEA instructions are ambiguous?

No. Simply implying that what it says and what people think it says are frequently dissimilar.

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29-03-2015, 09:20 AM
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(29-03-2015 09:18 AM)NoSkyDaddy Wrote:  
(29-03-2015 09:10 AM)The Polyglot Atheist Wrote:  You think IKEA instructions are ambiguous?

No. Simply implying that what it says and what people think it says are frequently dissimilar.

Ah lol well, yes sometimes that happens. Big Grin

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