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03-11-2012, 06:36 AM
2 questions about ADD and ADHD
So if any of you have read any of my posts tonight.. you will clearly see that my thoughts are sometimes what I call blurry and incoherent.. and just quite frankly a fucking mess of shit going on at the same time not even circular but a burst ugh.. and putting them down on paper or here .. is really tough for me because to come across as a semi intelligent person I would have to sit and edit the fuck out of each one of them. see the prejudice thread.. if you have any doubts..
So I have been diagnosed with ADHD.. Adult Defitict something or another.. haha.. everyone knows what this is.. its a joke.. hardy har

and I went to a specialist about 4 or 5 years ago he mainly saw children but was highly recommended and dealt with some adults as well ( not pertinent to the thread.. case and point ) He actually told me that I had one of the highest scoring ADHD tests he had ever seen..and I believed him because I had a few friends and family members take the test from their outside perspective about me and several online inquires.. told me to go to a doctor IMMEDIATELY So what he wanted to know, was how I am a functioning adult.. how I had held the same job for 10 years.. what my grades were in school ( A's and B's very few C's on subjects I detest-- writing and English.. go figure ) even though I obviously knew that I had done these things and that was out of pattern.But that's normal who would question how you kept your job.. you just do your job.. . So we started to look at my living patterns and such and came up with that in school.. I realized that I had to study A LOT.. some subjects came very easily to me in conversation or application but when reading about things.. I had to have a highlighter and a pen and a notebook and flash cards.. and I had to reread the same paragraphs sometimes 5-6 times to even realize what I had read.. and a little bit after high school when I got my job, that I kept and excelled in actually - working up to a team lead manager of 8 people under the biggest broker in my company.. that I had became and still am an obsessive work out fiend.. to this day I work out to complete and udder exhaustion.. out of the need to clear my mind.. I am completely unsatisfied with a mediocre workout.. I need a full out wtf brutal attack of body and mind power - like running long distance or xfit, oly lifting.. plyometrics.. whatever.. but I did these things ( the lists the working out the blah blah routines that I had to develop ) out of need and unconsciously.. So I found a way to naturally cope.. . And then we looked at my many many hobbies and need for new adventures and conquests.. ie like ive said before scuba running flying xfit ultimate Frisbee.. and whatever I decide to try and conquer in the next three months - and my almost compulsive fear of commitment and the way I jump out of relationships at the first sign of uh oh .. and my impulsive buying shopping nature.. and all of the life patterns.. alcohol abuse ( I say abuse meaning I sometimes need to realize I use that to medicate as well not that im a raging alchy ) drug use when I was a teenager.. so he suggested meds.. highly recommended.. told me it would be a life changing experience even.. and I did for a couple months.. but I couldn't remember to take them when I needed ( go figure again ) and I didn't like the jittery feeling that I got when I took them.. and I didn't feel comfortable flying an airplane on them because they made me jumpy.. but the doc said that we just hadn't gotten the dosage correct and to be honest to me,, I might need a lot.. but he didn't want to jump me up so we were going slowly.. long story long.. I gave up on the meds before we got to that correct dosage.. and I just continue to workout until my mind thinks straight.. and I think that is healthy to an extent.. but I also wonder if there are things that could be helped in my life -- ie could write without feeling self conscience that people would read my posts letters or emails and think I am a complete idiot rambling on and changing subjects sometimes mid sentence.. and yes im well aware of my awful wtf run on sentences -- but working out doesn't help these things.. only lists and complete order and I am disorderly person( unless I put a lot of effort into it.. like my job or something I know is important .. like flying.. all the checklists and things make sense. ).. and my fear of commitment is getting kinda scary and then with that comes the.. is this my issue or is this guy really a nit.. I left an amazing man who I was engaged to and had the perfect life laid out in front of me because of complete boredom and have regretted it almost daily after I got done with sowing my oats for 3 months.. but I completely fucked him over and never deserved the 2nd chance I very openly begged him for.. and respect him even more for telling me to kindly fuck off .. when so many other men continue to let me fuck them over again and again..because they just know it as me.. but he actually had self respect and cared more about his self worth then trying to fix me and I appreciate that very much.. oddly enough
so my first question (I felt while I was on a posting roll I would share that first so you would know where I am coming from ) SEE I CANT JUST SAY.. HERE IS MY QUESTION.. FML
how do you deal with your ADD or ADHD.. medication.. or rituals or moving/slash working out to clear your mind.. ?

and my 2nd question is

Do you believe that it is a real illness?.. I've had several people tell me it is a made up illness for weak-minded people.. btw that's a slap in the face - because I feel like I am above what I feel like is normal intelligence very quite simply because of my curiosity and ability to say the phrase " I don't know" -- if that sounds egotistical .. I'm sure that most of the people on this forum have that same ego.. maybe im wrong.. but.. and also I kind of take pride in my ability to naturally overcome at least some of the effects of this mental bs.. but you guys.. ( the ones who actually will try and get through my ramblings ) have to now deal with the part I can't control.. eek..

So there it is another rant with at least two questions I would like some insight on the Kellie post-a-thon Friday night/Saturday morning debacle..

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03-11-2012, 06:40 AM
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As someone with ADHD, I don't have the attention span to respond to this at this moment. Tongue
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03-11-2012, 06:53 AM
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(03-11-2012 06:36 AM)k37713 Wrote:  So if any of you have read any of my posts tonight.. you will clearly see that my thoughts are sometimes what I call blurry and incoherent.. and just quite frankly a fucking mess of shit going on at the same time not even circular but a burst ugh.. and putting them down on paper or here .. is really tough for me because to come across as a semi intelligent person I would have to sit and edit the fuck out of each one of them. see the prejudice thread.. if you have any doubts..
So I have been diagnosed with ADHD.. Adult Defitict something or another.. haha.. everyone knows what this is.. its a joke.. hardy har

and I went to a specialist about 4 or 5 years ago he mainly saw children but was highly recommended and dealt with some adults as well ( not pertinent to the thread.. case and point ) He actually told me that I had one of the highest scoring ADHD tests he had ever seen..and I believed him because I had a few friends and family members take the test from their outside perspective about me and several online inquires.. told me to go to a doctor IMMEDIATELY So what he wanted to know, was how I am a functioning adult.. how I had held the same job for 10 years.. what my grades were in school ( A's and B's very few C's on subjects I detest-- writing and English.. go figure ) even though I obviously knew that I had done these things and that was out of pattern.But that's normal who would question how you kept your job.. you just do your job.. . So we started to look at my living patterns and such and came up with that in school.. I realized that I had to study A LOT.. some subjects came very easily to me in conversation or application but when reading about things.. I had to have a highlighter and a pen and a notebook and flash cards.. and I had to reread the same paragraphs sometimes 5-6 times to even realize what I had read.. and a little bit after high school when I got my job, that I kept and excelled in actually - working up to a team lead manager of 8 people under the biggest broker in my company.. that I had became and still am an obsessive work out fiend.. to this day I work out to complete and udder exhaustion.. out of the need to clear my mind.. I am completely unsatisfied with a mediocre workout.. I need a full out wtf brutal attack of body and mind power - like running long distance or xfit, oly lifting.. plyometrics.. whatever.. but I did these things ( the lists the working out the blah blah routines that I had to develop ) out of need and unconsciously.. So I found a way to naturally cope.. . And then we looked at my many many hobbies and need for new adventures and conquests.. ie like ive said before scuba running flying xfit ultimate Frisbee.. and whatever I decide to try and conquer in the next three months - and my almost compulsive fear of commitment and the way I jump out of relationships at the first sign of uh oh .. and my impulsive buying shopping nature.. and all of the life patterns.. alcohol abuse ( I say abuse meaning I sometimes need to realize I use that to medicate as well not that im a raging alchy ) drug use when I was a teenager.. so he suggested meds.. highly recommended.. told me it would be a life changing experience even.. and I did for a couple months.. but I couldn't remember to take them when I needed ( go figure again ) and I didn't like the jittery feeling that I got when I took them.. and I didn't feel comfortable flying an airplane on them because they made me jumpy.. but the doc said that we just hadn't gotten the dosage correct and to be honest to me,, I might need a lot.. but he didn't want to jump me up so we were going slowly.. long story long.. I gave up on the meds before we got to that correct dosage.. and I just continue to workout until my mind thinks straight.. and I think that is healthy to an extent.. but I also wonder if there are things that could be helped in my life -- ie could write without feeling self conscience that people would read my posts letters or emails and think I am a complete idiot rambling on and changing subjects sometimes mid sentence.. and yes im well aware of my awful wtf run on sentences -- but working out doesn't help these things.. only lists and complete order and I am disorderly person( unless I put a lot of effort into it.. like my job or something I know is important .. like flying.. all the checklists and things make sense. ).. and my fear of commitment is getting kinda scary and then with that comes the.. is this my issue or is this guy really a nit.. I left an amazing man who I was engaged to and had the perfect life laid out in front of me because of complete boredom and have regretted it almost daily after I got done with sowing my oats for 3 months.. but I completely fucked him over and never deserved the 2nd chance I very openly begged him for.. and respect him even more for telling me to kindly fuck off .. when so many other men continue to let me fuck them over again and again..because they just know it as me.. but he actually had self respect and cared more about his self worth then trying to fix me and I appreciate that very much.. oddly enough
so my first question (I felt while I was on a posting roll I would share that first so you would know where I am coming from ) SEE I CANT JUST SAY.. HERE IS MY QUESTION.. FML
how do you deal with your ADD or ADHD.. medication.. or rituals or moving/slash working out to clear your mind.. ?

and my 2nd question is

Do you believe that it is a real illness?.. I've had several people tell me it is a made up illness for weak-minded people.. btw that's a slap in the face - because I feel like I am above what I feel like is normal intelligence very quite simply because of my curiosity and ability to say the phrase " I don't know" -- if that sounds egotistical .. I'm sure that most of the people on this forum have that same ego.. maybe im wrong.. but.. and also I kind of take pride in my ability to naturally overcome at least some of the effects of this mental bs.. but you guys.. ( the ones who actually will try and get through my ramblings ) have to now deal with the part I can't control.. eek..

So there it is another rant with at least two questions I would like some insight on the Kellie post-a-thon Friday night/Saturday morning debacle..
I don't have it, but one of our neighbors took his two twin boys in for an eval, cuz they were not doing well in school.
It's a very real disease, but it's probably a "cluster". Anyway, when the doc was done, the dad, says, "oh ok, I have that too. I always have, can I take the boy's med too ?", (he's about 26). So all three of them took the meds. They all got instantly better. The three of them. The boys only take their meds during the school year, not during the summer. The dad takes his all the time. I have a friend who I used to get very frustrated with, until I realized, he simply cannot concentrate on anything, and it's not for lack of trying. So I don't have much to offer, but yes it's very real, and there are millions who have been helped by the meds. Maybe some docs use the meds too easily, I don't know. I suppose there are other things that produce the symptoms, but for a huge group, it's just brain chemicals gone awry.

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03-11-2012, 07:03 AM
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(03-11-2012 06:36 AM)k37713 Wrote:  ...
Question 1:
how do you deal with your ADD or ADHD.. medication.. or rituals or moving/slash working out to clear your mind.. ?

With my daughter (ADHD) and my son (Aspergers) the symptoms were addressed through a change of diet (no additives, preservatives or colourants and no casein and no gluten). Fucking difficult to do btw.

Addressing the symptoms (incidents) is not the same as addressing the cause (the problem). The latter can only be done if one knows the root cause. This is, as yet, unknown. Sad

(03-11-2012 06:36 AM)k37713 Wrote:  Question 2:
Do you believe that it is a real illness?..

Damn right it is!

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03-11-2012, 07:03 AM
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For myself it is not a question.. but I do like to hear the counters on maybe I'm just lazy sometimes as well.. It is motivating to me to a point. I am seriously considering going to another DR. and discussing some other form of meds. As I recently have had discussions with friends who say that it helps them a lot during work.. But generally they don't take it later because it would keep them awake.. SO ther is my draw back - I'm fine when it comes to the practical things - as I have my systems seem to work at least in my line of work which is pretty chaotic in nature. BUT I would love to be able to make decisions faster/less last minute out of necessity - which generally makes me wish I had made the other decision... And this can be as simple as the conditioner I buy or the men that I date.. I never have closure on if I am doing the "right" thing. Everything seems to work out .. but.. ugh Really I just think it is getting worse as of late.. and Im getting to the point where ignoring and self medicating might not be working.. MORE RAMBLE.. less making sense..sorry guys..

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03-11-2012, 07:10 AM
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Your doc believes it's a real disease, and you clearly struggle with it. I've never encountered it, but I believe it must be real. Mind stuff is ultimately the *hardest* to control. If you had something physical wrong with you, like maybe... actually I can't think of anything I'd wish on you Tongue... but then you know, they (the amazing they) can cure those things... mind stuff - we're maybe not quite in the stone age of treatment there, but if anything only just out of it.
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03-11-2012, 07:30 AM
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(03-11-2012 07:03 AM)k37713 Wrote:  BUT I would love to be able to make decisions faster/less last minute out of necessity - which generally makes me wish I had made the other decision... And this can be as simple as the conditioner I buy or the men that I date.. I never have closure on if I am doing the "right" thing.


My dear, I don't think medication would help you with that particular problem. Decision-making and how we handle it is a huge problem for a lot of people... as is the perfect 20/20 hindsight vision. Same with closure and the "have I done the right thing" question. There isn't a pill big enough in the world to help us with that. Sad
I totally get the rambling bit, too (been there, but to a much lesser degree, 'cause I'm a control freak of sorts). And no, you're not lazy and yes, it is a real disease or at least something caused by your brain chemistry.
Well, that wasn't very useful, was it... just wanted to say that you shouldn't really blame yourself for having difficulties with choosing and decision-making and also with second-guessing the decisions you did make. That's a huge part of what makes us human (at least I think it is).

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03-11-2012, 08:06 AM
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k37713, hope you got my email response. It said I couldn't reply because your pm is turned off.

Anyway, now that I have a few moments to respond in terms of add/adhd...

First question: Do I have anything I do to cope with my ADD/ADHD? YES. I try to keep myself consciously aware of when I start drifting. It affects me at work immensely, although over the years I have learned to cope with it. The largest issue is that people can be talking to me and if I'm multitasking, I will end up usually ignoring what they are saying. The way I have found to do this is to always always always face them, turn to them and concentrate on their face when they speak. Otherwise I wander off mentally and do not retain whatever they said.

For instance... if i'm checking email, someone is talking and I'm trying to listen, I may catch 1/10 or 3/10 of the conversation and the rest goes off into nowhere since my face is on my computer.

At home, in my personal zone, I do whatever interests me. I have a lot of hobbies and I do bounce from hobby to hobby quite frequently. I lose interest very easily, drop it, and go to the next hobby. Over time I always return to them all, but I find I have a very hard time concentrating. As well, since I work on cars as one of my primary hobbies I have to keep a list of things I want to accomplish at that time. It is too easy for me to start a single project on a car, mentally go... "OH while I'm here I can do this." and spend another hour on that thing, and forget what I originally set forth to do...


To answer the second question, an illness? I don't know about an illness, since my definition of illness is something that someone catches, or perhaps gets that affects one... and sometimes can be cured or not. I would think of ADHD as a cognitive issue, or rather, a condition that we struggle with mentally more than anything.

As odd as it may sound, some of the SMARTEST people I work with are ridiculously high ADHD or ADD, a few even more than myself. I don't think that means "people with adhd or add are smarter than most people" - but I think we tend to have a different approach to analyzing and thinking about things since our brains are all over the place. One single focus is difficult to concentrate on, unless you try really really hard to focus. Multitasking can be good if you can learn to focus on things, which is likely why ADHD or ADD people seem to do well with technology from what I've seen.

Is it a real something? Yeah I suppose so, from what I can tell.
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03-11-2012, 08:33 AM (This post was last modified: 03-11-2012 08:36 AM by DLJ.)
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I was going to PM this to you but I couldn't.

Given your comment in Leela's poetry thread, I scribbled the following.

Not a classic but I hope you like it.

School poetry.

I didn’t get it:
poetry.

Other’s thoughts
and symmetry.

Metered, rhymeless,
blankly stupefying.
Or stilted-verse inanity.

Here, child,
is the correct interpretation
ABAB
CDCD.

No.

I choose ADHD
with intents and patterns just for me.


DLJ

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03-11-2012, 08:40 AM
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very cool
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