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03-11-2012, 03:55 PM
RE: 2 questions about ADD and ADHD
(03-11-2012 08:33 AM)DLJ Wrote:  I was going to PM this to you but I couldn't.

Given your comment in Leela's poetry thread, I scribbled the following.

Not a classic but I hope you like it.

School poetry.

I didn’t get it:
poetry.

Other’s thoughts
and symmetry.

Metered, rhymeless,
blankly stupefying.
Or stilted-verse inanity.

Here, child,
is the correct interpretation
ABAB
CDCD.

No.

I choose ADHD
with intents and patterns just for me.


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03-11-2012, 04:22 PM (This post was last modified: 03-11-2012 04:32 PM by Dark Light.)
RE: 2 questions about ADD and ADHD
I think it is a made up disorder. I was diagnosed with ADD as a kid, but I think it is just some peoples personalities, or traits that some people decided was bad. If I ever have children, and they are diagnosed, they aren't getting any meds for it. Call me what you will, but that is my opinion, its bullshit. It is a way for pharmaceutical companies and doctors get get money while parents get to look at their child and 'it isn't their fault, it's a disorder'. I am not alone in this thought either. It is a conspiracy, but before you judge me to be a nutter, read up on it.

EDIT: Just realized that sounded harsh, but I didn't mean it that way, and I am not on here to argue a case, all I am saying is read up on the history of the so-called epidemic that began out of thin air and judge for yourself. There is an excellent documentary on Netflix about this very subject which I recommend as well. I just think some peoples behavior is naturally different than others and that it normal, not a disorder. How many people have to get a "disorder" before it is considered norm behavior. I'm not saying the meds won't help folks concentrate, I'm just saying I think that the meds are altering the way their perfectly normal minds work, which I don't like.

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03-11-2012, 04:31 PM
RE: 2 questions about ADD and ADHD
(03-11-2012 04:22 PM)Dark Light Wrote:  I think it is a made up disorder. I was diagnosed with ADD as a kid, but I think it is just some peoples personalities, or traits that some people decided was bad. If I ever have children, and they are diagnosed, they aren't getting any meds for it. Call me what you will, but that is my opinion, its bullshit. It is a way for pharmaceutical companies and doctors get get money while parents get to look at their child and 'it isn't their fault, it's a disorder'. I am not alone in this thought either. It is a conspiracy, but before you judge me to be a nutter, read up on it.
I can actually say I've thought like that before because the list of symptoms just kinda looks like a flaky, irresponsible adult.. however.. my personality has nothing to do with the difficulty in stringing together several decent thoughts.. sometimes I have all of the ingredients sitting at the front of my brain.. but a complete inability to put them in the right order.. it can be frustrating.. and embarrassing

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03-11-2012, 04:38 PM
RE: 2 questions about ADD and ADHD
(03-11-2012 04:31 PM)k37713 Wrote:  I can actually say I've thought like that before because the list of symptoms just kinda looks like a flaky, irresponsible adult.. however.. my personality has nothing to do with the difficulty in stringing together several decent thoughts.. sometimes I have all of the ingredients sitting at the front of my brain.. but a complete inability to put them in the right order.. it can be frustrating.. and embarrassing
Perhaps I should've chose my words more carefully...more accurately I believe that some folks just have normal brains that process information different than others, but is still well within the confines of a fully functional and disorder-free mind.

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03-11-2012, 10:29 PM
RE: 2 questions about ADD and ADHD
(03-11-2012 04:38 PM)Dark Light Wrote:  
(03-11-2012 04:31 PM)k37713 Wrote:  I can actually say I've thought like that before because the list of symptoms just kinda looks like a flaky, irresponsible adult.. however.. my personality has nothing to do with the difficulty in stringing together several decent thoughts.. sometimes I have all of the ingredients sitting at the front of my brain.. but a complete inability to put them in the right order.. it can be frustrating.. and embarrassing
Perhaps I should've chose my words more carefully...more accurately I believe that some folks just have normal brains that process information different than others, but is still well within the confines of a fully functional and disorder-free mind.

DL,

All disorders are made up. That's how the process works. There are many brain disorders and many causes.

When you see it first-hand or when you experience it yourself, it opens your eyes.

The professionals start by registering Incidents which then indicate a Problem. Root Cause as yet unknown. The Problem gets given a label (e.g. ADHD) which just indicates the existence of their hypothesis and then the sciencey process gets going.
Workarounds (palliative meds, behaviour management) address the Incidents / symptoms while the real boffins search for the cause.

The doctors (glorified Service Desk people) will often mis-categorise / mis-diagnose until more data comes in.

We treated our children's disorders without meds... mainly cos we saw (particularly with Aspergers) years of mis-diagnosis (missed-diagnosis from the 1950s to over-diagnosis in the 1990/2000s).

The big thing I learned was how much we are effected by our inputs (diet, environment etc.) and how behaviour (output following brain-processing) can be changed if the input changes.

This convinced me that we are biological machines.

There is a much more stategic question which does intrigue me...

What is "normal"?

The politically correct term for normal (i.e. without developmental brain disorders) is neuro-typical.

I would argue that this is a baseline (for assessment purposes) and not a "goal". I would not like a world where everyone is neuro-typical.

I like being "abnormal" Big Grin

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04-11-2012, 05:26 AM
RE: 2 questions about ADD and ADHD
I realize that a single experience counts for nothing in the scientific world, but for what it's worth, my young brother has ADHD, and when I went to his school for a PTA meeting with the counselor, principal and school psychologist, I was told that caffein seems to have calming effects on children with ADHD.
Naturally I found this to be suspect, but I dosed him with caffein in controlled intervals for the next few weeks, just to try it out, and each time I gave it to him, he was noticably more docile and clear-headed for about 6 hours afterward (approx. the amount of time it takes caffein to fully clear the system). The first time I thought it might be a fluke; the second time I assumed it was confirmation bias on my part; but the fourth, fifth and tenth time(s) in the proceeding weeks convinced me that the application of caffein (in the form of Mt. Dew) had a noticable physiological/psychological effect on the child.
What's more, an intake of heavily-colored foods (Red #40 in particular) sent him through the fucking roof. Not only is he not able to focus and runs around like crazy; but attempts to interact with him are next to impossible. His words reflect an out-of-control thought process; jumping frantically from one topic to the next and not making much sense in between. From what I've read and heard, food coloring has a negative effect on ADHD.
But ultimately, I don't fuckin' know. One group says X, the other says Y - nobody knows who the hell to listen to anymore. Just gotta feel things out for yourself.

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04-11-2012, 10:05 AM
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(04-11-2012 05:26 AM)Misanthropik Wrote:  I realize that a single experience counts for nothing in the scientific world, but for what it's worth, my young brother has ADHD, and when I went to his school for a PTA meeting with the counselor, principal and school psychologist, I was told that caffein seems to have calming effects on children with ADHD.
Naturally I found this to be suspect, but I dosed him with caffein in controlled intervals for the next few weeks, just to try it out, and each time I gave it to him, he was noticably more docile and clear-headed for about 6 hours afterward (approx. the amount of time it takes caffein to fully clear the system). The first time I thought it might be a fluke; the second time I assumed it was confirmation bias on my part; but the fourth, fifth and tenth time(s) in the proceeding weeks convinced me that the application of caffein (in the form of Mt. Dew) had a noticable physiological/psychological effect on the child.
What's more, an intake of heavily-colored foods (Red #40 in particular) sent him through the fucking roof. Not only is he not able to focus and runs around like crazy; but attempts to interact with him are next to impossible. His words reflect an out-of-control thought process; jumping frantically from one topic to the next and not making much sense in between. From what I've read and heard, food coloring has a negative effect on ADHD.
But ultimately, I don't fuckin' know. One group says X, the other says Y - nobody knows who the hell to listen to anymore. Just gotta feel things out for yourself.

Yup, as stated above, in fact... colourants, preservatives and additives.

But different person = different configuration = different causes and effects.

Caffeine works for me too. And nicotine.

Try putting your brother on 20 a day an experiment.

You can trust me, I'm a doctor

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04-11-2012, 12:56 PM
RE: 2 questions about ADD and ADHD
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(04-11-2012 10:05 AM)DLJ Wrote:  
(04-11-2012 05:26 AM)Misanthropik Wrote:  I realize that a single experience counts for nothing in the scientific world, but for what it's worth, my young brother has ADHD, and when I went to his school for a PTA meeting with the counselor, principal and school psychologist, I was told that caffein seems to have calming effects on children with ADHD.
Naturally I found this to be suspect, but I dosed him with caffein in controlled intervals for the next few weeks, just to try it out, and each time I gave it to him, he was noticably more docile and clear-headed for about 6 hours afterward (approx. the amount of time it takes caffein to fully clear the system). The first time I thought it might be a fluke; the second time I assumed it was confirmation bias on my part; but the fourth, fifth and tenth time(s) in the proceeding weeks convinced me that the application of caffein (in the form of Mt. Dew) had a noticable physiological/psychological effect on the child.
What's more, an intake of heavily-colored foods (Red #40 in particular) sent him through the fucking roof. Not only is he not able to focus and runs around like crazy; but attempts to interact with him are next to impossible. His words reflect an out-of-control thought process; jumping frantically from one topic to the next and not making much sense in between. From what I've read and heard, food coloring has a negative effect on ADHD.
But ultimately, I don't fuckin' know. One group says X, the other says Y - nobody knows who the hell to listen to anymore. Just gotta feel things out for yourself.

Yup, as stated above, in fact... colourants, preservatives and additives.

But different person = different configuration = different causes and effects.

Caffeine works for me too. And nicotine.

Try putting your brother on 20 a day an experiment.

You can trust me, I'm a doctor

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04-11-2012, 01:18 PM
RE: 2 questions about ADD and ADHD
I have ADHD and I fought the diagnosis for years until I lost a few jobs. These set backs helped clear away my own delusion that the diagnosis wasn't real.

After wards I purchased a couple of books on the subject, got a psychologist and psychiatrist. With medication and therapy I'm am infinitely better.

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04-11-2012, 01:33 PM (This post was last modified: 04-11-2012 01:38 PM by cheapthrillseaker.)
RE: 2 questions about ADD and ADHD
(04-11-2012 05:26 AM)Misanthropik Wrote:  I realize that a single experience counts for nothing in the scientific world, but for what it's worth, my young brother has ADHD, and when I went to his school for a PTA meeting with the counselor, principal and school psychologist, I was told that caffein seems to have calming effects on children with ADHD.
Naturally I found this to be suspect, but I dosed him with caffein in controlled intervals for the next few weeks, just to try it out, and each time I gave it to him, he was noticably more docile and clear-headed for about 6 hours afterward (approx. the amount of time it takes caffein to fully clear the system). The first time I thought it might be a fluke; the second time I assumed it was confirmation bias on my part; but the fourth, fifth and tenth time(s) in the proceeding weeks convinced me that the application of caffein (in the form of Mt. Dew) had a noticable physiological/psychological effect on the child.
What's more, an intake of heavily-colored foods (Red #40 in particular) sent him through the fucking roof. Not only is he not able to focus and runs around like crazy; but attempts to interact with him are next to impossible. His words reflect an out-of-control thought process; jumping frantically from one topic to the next and not making much sense in between. From what I've read and heard, food coloring has a negative effect on ADHD.
But ultimately, I don't fuckin' know. One group says X, the other says Y - nobody knows who the hell to listen to anymore. Just gotta feel things out for yourself.
Ah shit.

Now I know why my day is going so bonkers.

Eating Cheese Nips. First time I see that red food coloring has negative effects. This made it first on the list for crackers for both me and 'crackers that contain red food coloring'. -_-!

I'm already fucked for today, but I'm gonna try to see if things get better when not delving in it.

EDIT: correction, it's the gorram YELLOW! Damnit! My reading skills are farked. Hobo Sadcryface2 Weeping

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