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27-09-2012, 12:30 PM
RE: 2 questions to ask a theist.
(27-09-2012 12:09 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  True. But evolution is observable.

Tell that to Ken Ham!
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27-09-2012, 01:58 PM
RE: 2 questions to ask a theist.
(27-09-2012 12:09 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(27-09-2012 11:40 AM)caffeinesoul Wrote:  Wouldn't that depend on the belief? I could take the faith-based position that evolution wasn't a thing.

True. But evolution is observable.

I should have rephrased my statement to include observation.

So why do you change your criteria when asserting things in science? At what point do you decide your convictions about the natural world are to be rational and logical?

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27-09-2012, 02:04 PM
RE: 2 questions to ask a theist.
(27-09-2012 01:58 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  
(27-09-2012 12:09 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  True. But evolution is observable.

I should have rephrased my statement to include observation.

So why do you change your criteria when asserting things in science? At what point do you decide your convictions about the natural world are to be rational and logical?

Because I don't think the natural world's rules govern God. He governs the natural world's rules, and we are restricted by those rules.

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27-09-2012, 02:09 PM
RE: 2 questions to ask a theist.
Okay, wait. So god makes the natural laws, but they don't apply to him/her/it? Wouldn't that negate them? I mean, if the rule applies to all things, then either god is not a thing or they can be broken, and we have never demonstrated that they can be broken so?...

I realize you are a believer and all, but I feel a bit confused by that logic.

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27-09-2012, 02:14 PM
RE: 2 questions to ask a theist.
(27-09-2012 02:04 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(27-09-2012 01:58 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  So why do you change your criteria when asserting things in science? At what point do you decide your convictions about the natural world are to be rational and logical?

Because I don't think the natural world's rules govern God. He governs the natural world's rules, and we are restricted by those rules.

So, explain to me how the unnatural can blend in within the natural. Drinking Beverage
How does an unnatural being govern naturally?

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27-09-2012, 02:22 PM
RE: 2 questions to ask a theist.
(27-09-2012 02:09 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Okay, wait. So god makes the natural laws, but they don't apply to him/her/it? Wouldn't that negate them? I mean, if the rule applies to all things, then either god is not a thing or they can be broken, and we have never demonstrated that they can be broken so?...

I realize you are a believer and all, but I feel a bit confused by that logic.

If God exists outside our natural world... then no.

God created specific rules for this world. His power is unlimited, which means that if He is bound by rules - even if they are His own - it contradicts His power.

Before anyone says anything, no this isn't a contradiction to my answer to the God-rock paradox. The rules He created for our natural world are confined to our natural world; He can act outside those rules.

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27-09-2012, 02:26 PM
RE: 2 questions to ask a theist.
(27-09-2012 02:14 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  
(27-09-2012 02:04 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  Because I don't think the natural world's rules govern God. He governs the natural world's rules, and we are restricted by those rules.

So, explain to me how the unnatural can blend in within the natural. Drinking Beverage
How does an unnatural being govern naturally?

Thats quite simple.
He just did it. End of story.

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27-09-2012, 02:28 PM
RE: 2 questions to ask a theist.
(27-09-2012 02:26 PM)Marco Krieger Wrote:  
(27-09-2012 02:14 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  So, explain to me how the unnatural can blend in within the natural. Drinking Beverage
How does an unnatural being govern naturally?

Thats quite simple.
He just did it. End of story.

Ah, the ever so intellectual argument of, "I made it up; therefore it is true" argument.

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27-09-2012, 02:41 PM
RE: 2 questions to ask a theist.
(27-09-2012 02:28 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  
(27-09-2012 02:26 PM)Marco Krieger Wrote:  Thats quite simple.
He just did it. End of story.

Ah, the ever so intellectual argument of, "I made it up; therefore it is true" argument.

Yes, i am a great fan of intellectual arguments.
And, honestly, how needs these crazy science crap, if you have the bible and the koran and the tora and... what so ever, and every thing is fine and so easy to understand.
Now more learning and testing and questioning, just belief what the man in the fancy cloth tells.

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27-09-2012, 02:43 PM
RE: 2 questions to ask a theist.
(27-09-2012 02:41 PM)Marco Krieger Wrote:  just belief what the man in the fancy cloth tells.

well he's obviously an important guy and everyone listens, so he must know right?
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