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17-07-2016, 03:18 PM
RE: 3 Stupid justifications for police brutality
(17-07-2016 03:07 PM)OrdoSkeptica Wrote:  
(17-07-2016 03:05 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Please define police brutality.

really you need such a simple term defined to you if s why are you here?

Look, I've worked in law enforcement my entire life, from a military police officer, to criminal investigation with CID, then as a deputy, and now in the armory at a police station.

You know what police brutality is? 99.9% is bullshit. Everything is police brutality these days. That's why I won't work the beat anymore and switched to maintaining weapons. Got sick of every person i tried to lawfully stop, detain, or arrest trying to fight or flee or scream they were being brutalized. If I pulled someone over for speeding, they pull out the cell phone camera and start with the "you only pulled me over because I'm XYZ."

Fuck it.

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17-07-2016, 03:39 PM
RE: 3 Stupid justifications for police brutality
(17-07-2016 03:18 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(17-07-2016 03:07 PM)OrdoSkeptica Wrote:  really you need such a simple term defined to you if s why are you here?

Look, I've worked in law enforcement my entire life, from a military police officer, to criminal investigation with CID, then as a deputy, and now in the armory at a police station.

You know what police brutality is? 99.9% is bullshit. Everything is police brutality these days. That's why I won't work the beat anymore and switched to maintaining weapons. Got sick of every person i tried to lawfully stop, detain, or arrest trying to fight or flee or scream they were being brutalized. If I pulled someone over for speeding, they pull out the cell phone camera and start with the "you only pulled me over because I'm XYZ."

Fuck it.

Thank you for sob story would like a violin quartet as well

Thank you or your biased and totally distorted view of events it wasn't asked or really says much but thank you all the same

As for lawfulness lots of awful shit is lawful

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17-07-2016, 03:44 PM
RE: 3 Stupid justifications for police brutality
(17-07-2016 03:18 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Look, I've worked in law enforcement my entire life, from a military police officer, to criminal investigation with CID, then as a deputy, and now in the armory at a police station.

I don't understand why you find it so difficult to get health insurance. I would imagine all of those positions would come with health insurance.

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17-07-2016, 03:48 PM
RE: 3 Stupid justifications for police brutality
(17-07-2016 03:05 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(17-07-2016 02:58 PM)OrdoSkeptica Wrote:  None of your points justify police brutality

Please define police brutality.

Police brutality is like pornography. Hard to define, but we all know it when we see it.
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17-07-2016, 03:49 PM
RE: 3 Stupid justifications for police brutality
@Lord Dark Helmet

Police brutality is defined as any uses of force that is exceeding that reasonably necessary to accomplish lawful police purpose. It includes stuff like beating prisoners in their cell or after they are handcuffed, threatening civillian witnesses, menacing with a firearm a suspect who presented no direct physical threat, usage of a prohibited immobilisation technique, etc. It can also be used to describe an attitude of a police officer who resort to physical violence as his first response to any signs of resistence or lack of cooperation even (and especially) when the situation can be solved by simply talking out a suspect out of resisting the arrest. Police forces can be very intimidating which is both a quality and a problem. This intimidation can lead a person to resist arrest instead of submitting herself, especially if she believes she will be treated unfairly.

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17-07-2016, 04:05 PM
RE: 3 Stupid justifications for police brutality
(17-07-2016 03:49 PM)epronovost Wrote:  @Lord Dark Helmet

Police brutality is defined as any uses of force that is exceeding that reasonably necessary to accomplish lawful police purpose. It includes stuff like beating prisoners in their cell or after they are handcuffed, threatening civillian witnesses, menacing with a firearm a suspect who presented no direct physical threat, usage of a prohibited immobilisation technique, etc. It can also be used to describe an attitude of a police officer who resort to physical violence as his first response to any signs of resistence or lack of cooperation even (and especially) when the situation can be solved by simply talking out a suspect out of resisting the arrest. Police forces can be very intimidating which is both a quality and a problem. This intimidation can lead a person to resist arrest instead of submitting herself, especially if she believes she will be treated unfairly.

As I said, 99.9℅ of police brutality claims are bullshit. Does it happen? Absolutely. I've seen it happen. I've testified against an officer for it. When it does happen, and can be proven, the justice system handles it.

The problem is, people have no respect for cops these days. I've had regular people with no criminal record catch a felony over a jaywalking ticket. Because they wouldn't cooperate. Refuse to stop after jaywalking, refuse to take hands out of pockets for safety, which turns into refusing to submit to a Terry patdown, which turns into a scuffle, which turns into assaulting a law enforcement officer. Police brutality claim follows, which they lose, every time.

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17-07-2016, 04:09 PM
3 Stupid justifications for police brutality
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17-07-2016, 04:24 PM
RE: 3 Stupid justifications for police brutality
(17-07-2016 04:05 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  As I said, 99.9℅ of police brutality claims are bullshit. Does it happen? Absolutely. I've seen it happen. I've testified against an officer for it. When it does happen, and can be proven, the justice system handles it.

The problem is, people have no respect for cops these days. I've had regular people with no criminal record catch a felony over a jaywalking ticket. Because they wouldn't cooperate. Refuse to stop after jaywalking, refuse to take hands out of pockets for safety, which turns into refusing to submit to a Terry patdown, which turns into a scuffle, which turns into assaulting a law enforcement officer. Police brutality claim follows, which they lose, every time.

I'm not sure that anecdote inspires the respect you say people should have.
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17-07-2016, 05:40 PM
RE: 3 Stupid justifications for police brutality
(17-07-2016 12:06 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Breaking news: 3 more cops killed and many more wounded in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.

People wonder why cops have itchy trigger fingers? Approx 150 cops are killed in the line of duty every year. Criminals fight the police, resist arrest, refuse orders to let cops see their hands, and wonder why they get shot for putting their hands near their waistband or in their pockets.

Cops are sick of seeing their fellow officers shot. They want to go home to their families after their shift. If they're trying to put someone in handcuffs, and that person keeps resisting and putting his hands anywhere a gun can be hidden, the cops will shoot.

We've had 10 or more cops murdered in the last week or so.

If the goal is to have police in full military gear driving in tanks instead of patrol cars, we're on the right track.

I once saw a police officer put out a cigarette on an innocent man's wrist when playing a reggae gig.

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17-07-2016, 06:00 PM
RE: 3 Stupid justifications for police brutality
(17-07-2016 12:06 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Breaking news: 3 more cops killed and many more wounded in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.

People wonder why cops have itchy trigger fingers? Approx 150 cops are killed in the line of duty every year. Criminals fight the police, resist arrest, refuse orders to let cops see their hands, and wonder why they get shot for putting their hands near their waistband or in their pockets.

Cops are sick of seeing their fellow officers shot. They want to go home to their families after their shift. If they're trying to put someone in handcuffs, and that person keeps resisting and putting his hands anywhere a gun can be hidden, the cops will shoot.

We've had 10 or more cops murdered in the last week or so.

If the goal is to have police in full military gear driving in tanks instead of patrol cars, we're on the right track.

This is another example of a stupid justification for police brutality.
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