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29-12-2013, 11:11 PM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
(29-12-2013 07:05 PM)Hobbitgirl Wrote:  
(29-12-2013 07:01 PM)Stevil Wrote:  Take away people's freedoms and they rebel against and overthrow the government.

Haha!

Hasn't happened here yet.
It tends to happen especially if people are oppressed enough.

But anyway, not being part of government, I obviously don't support oppression on myself.
In my view it is government's responsibility to provide a stable society rather than a moral one.
Government to enforce laws allowing stability e.g. laws against murder and theft, and also to provide for health, roads, schools etc. To provide opportunity for poor to get educated and get jobs etc. To provide opportunity for businesses to thrive etc.

But in my mind moral issues such as prostitution, pornography, abortion, gay marriage, polygomy, incest etc, these don't cause instability in society so are outside the government mandate. The people of society do not need control, they simply need a stable society.
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29-12-2013, 11:13 PM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
(29-12-2013 07:16 PM)Brownshirt Wrote:  
(29-12-2013 06:12 PM)Stevil Wrote:  nope, all an atheist requires is a lack of belief in god/s.

Ha all needed is a lack of something. What do you believe? Do you believe in a non created reason for existence?
What do I believe regarding the purpose of existence?

Personally, I don't hold any beliefs regarding a purpose of existence.
There may not be any purpose.
Do you know of a way to objectively discover (test for) the purpose of existence?
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29-12-2013, 11:15 PM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
(29-12-2013 07:10 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(29-12-2013 07:01 PM)Stevil Wrote:  Take away people's freedoms and they rebel against and overthrow the government.

China says they don't.
I guess we will wait and see on this one.
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29-12-2013, 11:25 PM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
(29-12-2013 06:34 PM)Hobbitgirl Wrote:  I'd also be curious as to why you seem to think morality is attached to religion.
I guess this question was directed at me?

Many people have their own brand of morality.
When people say such and such is immoral, it is difficult to know what they mean. Whether they think the action is against a god's law, or against humanity, or is perceived to have negative social outcomes, or ....

But if you insist on enforcing a brand of morality onto others then be aware that other people have a different vision of morality to yourself. Religious morality is just one type, as is humanist morality, as is Kant's morality, as is Harris' morality, etc.

This path leads to might makes right. Whomever is in control will force their own brand of morality onto the masses.
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29-12-2013, 11:36 PM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
(29-12-2013 10:31 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  
(29-12-2013 10:06 PM)Brownshirt Wrote:  ...sacred atheism...

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Run, Rabbit, Run.


You still have not addressed a single point I have raised with your bullshit ad hoc assertions. And you still continue to sling whole schools of red herrings.

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Not a single person on this forum is fooled.


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I like the part where you said you've raised a point.

If you think you've done so either link to the post or repeat it. I've said this to you before but you just continue spouting bollocks, or as you put it "raising points", very funny. This forum needs a new bouncer with some mental stability and capacity. A resident mental with tourettes doesn't do much.
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29-12-2013, 11:51 PM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
(29-12-2013 11:36 PM)Brownshirt Wrote:  
(29-12-2013 10:31 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  [Image: straw-man.jpg]



Run, Rabbit, Run.


You still have not addressed a single point I have raised with your bullshit ad hoc assertions. And you still continue to sling whole schools of red herrings.

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Not a single person on this forum is fooled.


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I like the part where you said you've raised a point.

I like the part where you think you have anyone here fooled.

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29-12-2013, 11:58 PM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
1) I joined the forum, not to be an "active" atheist, but because I wanted to find a community that is generally more intelligent and logical. I could have joined a science forum, but I didn't, and now I'd rather not relocate. Also, I have the sneaking suspicion that religion isnt a force for good. Making an attempt at spreading a little reason through the world seems like a good decision. Showing people that the inability to disprove an assertion is not reason to believe it; thats a valuable lesson.

2) Not everything has a purpose. Even things without purpose can have importance.

3) I dont know if there is evidence to prove the existence of any god. I dont know if all gods can be disproven. I do know that I am open to receive valid proof.
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30-12-2013, 12:13 AM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
1) I took a comparative religious class in school and then studied a few of the religions outside the class. As I could find nothing to support them I dismissed them. Later on when I was in college for the first time I learned the New Testament was almost completely fabricated. And verifiably so. I could not rectify this knowledge with belief in the divinity of Jesus. As I was already a rationalist it seemed logical to reject the claims he made and the idea of a supernatural creative intelligence.

I am an "active" atheist because I am a rationalist. The god I was taught does not fit into a rational universe. Therefore I reject the notion.

2) Why must it have a purpose? I suppose if pressed I'd say it serves only to complete the idea of the universe as rational and logical.

3) the existence or non-existence if god is a fact. Either he exists or he doesn't. There can not be evidence against something not existing (except the suggestion of the origins of the tradition to discount it) so the question is irrelevant.
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30-12-2013, 12:56 AM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
(29-12-2013 02:09 PM)Brownshirt Wrote:  Of course it's relative. Do you think likeminded people to you are halfwits, or can you point me in the direction of people who think they're halfwits?

What!?!?!

Your statement makes absolutly no sence!

Like I said before, I came here to avoid halfwits, not to be amongst halfwits.



Quote:So am I, yet I dont see the relevants of this point in this debate.

It is relevant because it explains the social gathering which is this forum. It is people seeking contact with other likeminded people.

Quote:People would usually gather based on what they have in common.

Why do you say that you dont understand it and then make a statement saying that you do understand it??????

Derp?

Quote: Defining yourself as an atheist and using the lack of belief to justify your atheism, seems such a bizarre way to find like minded people. If you have an agenda, i.e belittle the religious or propose why a existence is, seek solace, I can understand that. Without a purpose it seems pointless.

Why do I need an agenda for seeking likeminded people or people with whom I have something in common????

I use to be on a forum for asian cooking - does this mean that there is an agenda f asian cooking?

I like being spanked by dominant women and therefor seek such women - is there therefor a BDSM agenda?

I like videogames and like to talk with people who like videogames - is there a videogame agenda?

I like classical music and like to talk to people who like classical music - is there a classical music agenda?


Your argument that social contact always means that there is an agenda is absolutly absurd!

Quote:If you gather for philosophical reasons i don't get that at all., unless you're leaning towards attempting to prove the nonexistence of a creator or demonstrating why existence is random.

No, as meantioned before, there is nothing philosophical about this gathering.

It is a social gathering!



Quote:My original questions would lead to arguing for atheism I would think.

No it didnt. You asked why people gathered here and not why they question god.

Quote:People wouldn't gather here unless you believe atheism to be a logical position to take, the question I asked was why they gather which indirectly also questions why do you believe atheism to be correct. Simply using the lack of belief position seems such a weak basis.
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Not true, there are also theists here and theists like you come here to talk to atheists. People come here because they know that the members are atheists, this makes it easier for atheists to join because they would be amongst likeminded people.

With this in mind it would be easier to comunicate with the people.

The purpose of this forum is not the questioning of religion, it is for socialisation.

Stop making these redicilious strawmen with which you try to find out why we argue good and thereby questioning the existance of this forum as being an institution that itslelf questions religion.

This forum has purely social reasons for it`s existance.

If you want to question why some members here question religion you should open a thread asking them to explain. After all the people here are thinking individuals and not some mindless block.

Now stop being so dishonest and ignoring the fact that this forum is mainly a platform for socialisation and not some weird center for propaganda and indoctrination, because it has been shown to you several times that it is not!

Frankly, the way in which you constantly ignore my arguments is making me rather angry!

And you dont want to be on the wrong side of an angry German Angry

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30-12-2013, 01:03 AM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
(29-12-2013 09:10 PM)lucradis Wrote:  
(29-12-2013 08:20 PM)Brownshirt Wrote:  You said there's zero evidence for it above. So by saying this you must expect it to be available, or that the lack of is evidence of absence.

Do you lack belief in any other random cause for existence?

You are an expert in gibberish.

This is simple. You use this skill in many things throughout your life. If someone comes up to you in the street and says that there is a pink unicorn in space who is the true creator of all things you would likely brush them off as insane, but say you actually went and humoured them and asked for all evidence they had of such a thing. They provide you with a book written by various unknown authors that tells you there is a pink unicorn in space.
Is that evidence? No. No more than harry potter is evidence of wizards. Thereby unless you are insane you continue not believing in pink unicorns in space that are god.

As per your gibberish second question. I lack belief in anything that has no evidence behind it. Simple as that. I am open to all suggestions but will not believe anything fully without evidence. Why would you? Does it make your life any different? More social club access maybe.takes you feel better than others maybe even though you aren't living by the literal word of god.

Here's a question for you, actually a series of them.

Do you believe literally in god?
If yes then which one specifically?
Which ones don't you believe in?
Why not?
If you believe in the abrahamic god, do you follow old or new testament? And which versions?
If you do believe in the abrahamic god, do you expect to go to heaven?
Why? Do you kill non believers? Which rules don't you follow?

That you don't understand it, says more about you.

Sorry you really bored me too. Next.
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