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31-12-2013, 09:54 AM (This post was last modified: 31-12-2013 09:58 AM by WeAreTheCosmos.)
RE: 3 questions for atheists
(31-12-2013 01:19 AM)Brownshirt Wrote:  
(30-12-2013 06:29 PM)WeAreTheCosmos Wrote:  Do you believe in the existence of god?
I don't believe...
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31-12-2013, 10:21 AM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
(31-12-2013 01:02 AM)Brownshirt Wrote:  
(30-12-2013 06:29 PM)Adrianime Wrote:  And this is why I think you are trolling.

You didn't quote what I wrote. Take some ownership. The ethnic group is still for someone who is something, not who lacks something. Your points probably convince the converted.
You continue to act like a troll, only responding as if you want to make trouble, not as if you want to have a conversation. And please, get some common sense, of course I was talking to you. I responded directly to a question that you asked only a few lines above and I referenced a response I previously made to you. Maybe in person you don't act like an arrogant prick. Maybe not. But you seem to have nothing to contribute to a conversation. I'll just go the safe way and assume you are a middle schooler and have much to learn of the world still.

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31-12-2013, 11:31 AM (This post was last modified: 31-12-2013 11:37 AM by WeAreTheCosmos.)
RE: 3 questions for atheists
(31-12-2013 01:19 AM)Brownshirt Wrote:  
(30-12-2013 06:29 PM)WeAreTheCosmos Wrote:  Do you believe in the existence of god?
Its a yes or no question.
Only atheists believe this question to be yes or no. I don't believe and I don't disbelieve.

Firstly, it IS a yes or no question. Secondly, theists would also realize its a yes/no.

Let me explain yes or no questions to you another way.

There is a lightbulb, it is either on or off.
You can claim no knowledge of whether it is on or off.
You can fuck with the light switch all you want, but the light is still either on or off.

If the light represents god, he either exists or he does not. You can claim agnosticism. This is a reasonable stance because it is not readily apparent, and no valid evidence is known to exist.

If the light represents personal belief, you either believe or do not. You can claim agnosticism. This is not a reasonable stance unless you are confused or have some other mental impairment that prevents you from knowing your own thoughts. When you said "I dont believe and I dont disbelieve", its like saying "the light is neither off or on" which can only be false.
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31-12-2013, 12:00 PM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
(31-12-2013 01:02 AM)Brownshirt Wrote:  
(30-12-2013 06:20 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  You remind me of an evangelical I know who tells other Christians they aren't true Christians since they don't espouse their dogma.

You seem oddly similar. So, you fancy yourself a true agnostic and everyone else is simply pretending?

Our views are not similar at all , so drawing comparisons between Christians who believe different dogma is not relevant for me at all.

When you say "everyone else" I will presume you only mean atheists, and as such no you're not pretending just misusing agnosticism. The only place knowledge has with regard to agnosticism is that we do not or will never know beyond the material. The constant atheist request for evidence contradicts this ,or the request is not genuine.

Proving that you have no idea what you are droning on about.


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(30-12-2013 06:23 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  That's really quite funny, considering the actual origin of the word, of which you are obviously quite ignorant.

Don't know what you found on Google, or how you brain managed to work that out, but knowledge and atheism were not part of agnosticism. They've all been assumed to atheists to attempt to give their position some semblance of rationality.


^^^ Removing any potential doubt that you are completely ignorant of the definition and origin of the word.

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31-12-2013, 12:04 PM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
(31-12-2013 01:25 AM)Brownshirt Wrote:  
(30-12-2013 09:42 PM)Question Wrote:  You ask two Christians from two different parts of the world, what they're for. And you'll get a gem like "We follow Jesus Christ."
You ask two atheists that live in the same state, you get two different answers.
And hell yeah I have other gems, just keep talkin' dirty to me.

Is there much irony in the name of this site being the "thinking" atheist? Yes.

Yes all Christians believe the same thing. No the variation between the atheist's mantra is unique to the person answering.

You sounds as you believe this. You all use the same arguments, for example you're all agnostics. Do some reading on atheism and then perhaps you'll realise there's nothing unique about the rationale applied by atheists. You all sing from the same hymn book. You're exactly what the world doesn't need more of.

And yet you come here to drink from the well of our wisdom. Cool

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31-12-2013, 12:10 PM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
(30-12-2013 03:41 AM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  
(30-12-2013 02:54 AM)Brownshirt Wrote:  Non means negation of or absense. I can't take you seriously. You sound angry and young, and due to you constant references to being German all I think of is this. Have fun.

As expected you are to imature to handel an adult conversation by not answering any of my points and chicken out.



Your points were few and far between. The only one worth responding to were possibly showing the atheism espoused here to not hold an agenda or attempted to indoctrinate. If you hadn't picked up on that by now you never will. So why would I I bother?
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31-12-2013, 12:24 PM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
Responding to the original poster (haven't read others yet).

(28-12-2013 12:36 AM)Brownshirt Wrote:  1. Why do you have an active lack of belief? The position comes across as one who wants to be recognised as one who negates any form of god but not have to prove anything.

I don't have an active belief. I am an atheist. When I say I am an atheist, I am telling you I do not have an active belief. You seem to be asking why I affirm that there is no God. There is a fine line between "I do not believe there is a God" and "I believe there is no God." Most of us are exceedingly comfortable with either statement, but when we talk about the evidence, we hold to the first statement rather than the second. I do not have to prove there is no God. I am content in my conclusion that no one has proven that there is one. Until someone proves that there is a God, I am justified in not believing that there is one.

Quote:2. What is the purpose of atheism?
I don't even know what you MEAN by this question. Atheism has no purpose. It is the absence of belief. You may proceed from atheism to find purpose in other things. For example, I consider myself a humanist. I believe in rights for all people, regardless of religion, creed, race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. I believe in treating our fellow man with due respect.


Quote:3. Why believe evidence is (or will be) available to confirm or negate a god?
I believe neither proposition. But if God DOES exist, I have every reason to expect that the evidence will show it. Since the evidence does not show it, I am justified in not believing he exists.
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31-12-2013, 12:27 PM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
(31-12-2013 12:00 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  
(31-12-2013 01:02 AM)Brownshirt Wrote:  Our views are not similar at all , so drawing comparisons between Christians who believe different dogma is not relevant for me at all.

When you say "everyone else" I will presume you only mean atheists, and as such no you're not pretending just misusing agnosticism. The only place knowledge has with regard to agnosticism is that we do not or will never know beyond the material. The constant atheist request for evidence contradicts this ,or the request is not genuine.

Proving that you have no idea what you are droning on about.


Quote:Don't know what you found on Google, or how you brain managed to work that out, but knowledge and atheism were not part of agnosticism. They've all been assumed to atheists to attempt to give their position some semblance of rationality.


^^^ Removing any potential doubt that you are completely ignorant of the definition and origin of the word.

You don't understand what proof is do you? If you disagree that's not proof . In your limited world thay seems to be all you require, good on you for making things as simple as you.
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31-12-2013, 12:28 PM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
(31-12-2013 12:10 PM)Brownshirt Wrote:  Your points were few and far between.

Wrong, I only made one: Which is that this is a social gathering and not some weirdish organisation.

Quote: The only one worth responding to were possibly showing the atheism espoused here to not hold an agenda or attempted to indoctrinate.

Which would serve no purpose, since this is a social gathering meant for atheists.

Quote:If you hadn't picked up on that by now you never will. So why would I I bother?

You have the audacity of accusing me of not understanding something when you dont even understand the concept of socialisation?

Do you live in a cave on some lonely Island and purposly avoid other humans?

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31-12-2013, 12:33 PM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
(31-12-2013 11:31 AM)WeAreTheCosmos Wrote:  
(31-12-2013 01:19 AM)Brownshirt Wrote:  Only atheists believe this question to be yes or no. I don't believe and I don't disbelieve.

Firstly, it IS a yes or no question. Secondly, theists would also realize its a yes/no.

Let me explain yes or no questions to you another way.

There is a lightbulb, it is either on or off.
You can claim no knowledge of whether it is on or off.
You can fuck with the light switch all you want, but the light is still either on or off.

If the light represents god, he either exists or he does not. You can claim agnosticism. This is a reasonable stance because it is not readily apparent, and no valid evidence is known to exist.

If the light represents personal belief, you either believe or do not. You can claim agnosticism. This is not a reasonable stance unless you are confused or have some other mental impairment that prevents you from knowing your own thoughts. When you said "I dont believe and I dont disbelieve", its like saying "the light is neither off or on" which can only be false.
How wonderfully simplistic. If there's no evidence for the light bulb being on or off why should I make a statement either way? If you believe there's evidence for a reason for existence present it. Given what we do know about the universe tell me why I should make a decision either way.
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