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31-12-2013, 12:35 PM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
(31-12-2013 12:28 PM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  
(31-12-2013 12:10 PM)Brownshirt Wrote:  Your points were few and far between.

Wrong, I only made one: Which is that this is a social gathering and not some weirdish organisation.

Quote: The only one worth responding to were possibly showing the atheism espoused here to not hold an agenda or attempted to indoctrinate.

Which would serve no purpose, since this is a social gathering meant for atheists.

Quote:If you hadn't picked up on that by now you never will. So why would I I bother?

You have the audacity of accusing me of not understanding something when you dont even understand the concept of socialisation?

Do you live in a cave on some lonely Island and purposly avoid other humans?
I understand what you claim I don't accept it.
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31-12-2013, 12:37 PM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
(31-12-2013 10:21 AM)Adrianime Wrote:  
(31-12-2013 01:02 AM)Brownshirt Wrote:  You didn't quote what I wrote. Take some ownership. The ethnic group is still for someone who is something, not who lacks something. Your points probably convince the converted.
You continue to act like a troll, only responding as if you want to make trouble, not as if you want to have a conversation. And please, get some common sense, of course I was talking to you. I responded directly to a question that you asked only a few lines above and I referenced a response I previously made to you. Maybe in person you don't act like an arrogant prick. Maybe not. But you seem to have nothing to contribute to a conversation. I'll just go the safe way and assume you are a middle schooler and have much to learn of the world still.

Why stop assuming now?
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31-12-2013, 12:42 PM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
(28-12-2013 12:36 AM)Brownshirt Wrote:  1. Why do you have an active lack of belief? The position comes across as one who wants to be recognised as one who negates any form of god but not have to prove anything.

2. What is the purpose of atheism?

3. Why believe evidence is (or will be) available to confirm or negate a god?


1. Do you believe that meatballs from South Carolina have rolled into a nuclear power plant, mated with termites and are currently attacking Italian restaurant's across the nation!??? I don't have to prove that god exists. You do!

2. Atheism does not have a purpose. It is: "a disbelief in the existence of deity". It's not a belief of something.

3. Since there is no evidence to support the existence of any god, but a great deal of evidence to support other reasons for all that exists, atheists kind of have the upper hand in the debate.
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31-12-2013, 01:03 PM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
(31-12-2013 12:33 PM)Brownshirt Wrote:  
(31-12-2013 11:31 AM)WeAreTheCosmos Wrote:  Firstly, it IS a yes or no question. Secondly, theists would also realize its a yes/no.

Let me explain yes or no questions to you another way.

There is a lightbulb, it is either on or off.
You can claim no knowledge of whether it is on or off.
You can fuck with the light switch all you want, but the light is still either on or off.

If the light represents god, he either exists or he does not. You can claim agnosticism. This is a reasonable stance because it is not readily apparent, and no valid evidence is known to exist.

If the light represents personal belief, you either believe or do not. You can claim agnosticism. This is not a reasonable stance unless you are confused or have some other mental impairment that prevents you from knowing your own thoughts. When you said "I dont believe and I dont disbelieve", its like saying "the light is neither off or on" which can only be false.
How wonderfully simplistic. If there's no evidence for the light bulb being on or off why should I make a statement either way? If you believe there's evidence for a reason for existence present it. Given what we do know about the universe tell me why I should make a decision either way.

You really have a hard time with comprehension and critical thinking. I clearly stated that being agnostic is reasonable when it comes to whether or not god exists. So we agree there.

The part you seem to have trouble grasping is that when someone makes a claim, you either believe it or you dont. You needn't dismiss it completely, but you do either believe it or not.

If I said "I have a $20 bill in my pocket"
You either believe it or not.
If you do not believe it, you needn't dismiss it. Perhaps you are waiting for proof. When proof is presented you may change your mind. "I dont believe and I dont disbelieve" doesn't work, because as soon as you decide its anything other than a true claim, you do not believe it. Even if you are indecisive, you technically have not accepted it as true, and thus do not believe it.

The point is, if I said "God exists." You either believe that claim or you don't. If you do not believe it, you may be waiting for proof. You may change your mind, but you either believe the claim or do not. Agnosticism is NOT in between, its simply admitting that you dont know for sure.

You can believe the claim and be agnostic. You can disbelieve the claim and be agnostic.
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31-12-2013, 01:14 PM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
*Pokes Brownshirt with a brown stick

Have we discovered yet why he chose the name brownshirt?

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31-12-2013, 01:42 PM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
(31-12-2013 01:14 PM)Tartarus Sauce Wrote:  *Pokes Brownshirt with a brown stick

Have we discovered yet why he chose the name brownshirt?

Well my theory is that brown shits are the most common. So he's a common shit.

Oh, shirt... My bad Angel

He must work for UPS
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31-12-2013, 02:22 PM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
1. Why do you have an active lack of belief?
I don't have an active lack of believe, in the same way I am not actively not collecting stamps - it doesn't require any effort, therefore is inactive.

2. What is the purpose of atheism?
It doesn't serve a purpose other than for convenience in labeling.

3. Why believe evidence is (or will be) available to confirm or negate a god?
Borrowing from Matt Dillahunty, a god (under common usage) would know exactly what evidence it would take to convince me. I don't need to negate god anymore than I need to prove unicorns don't exist. Do you spend time concerned about how to disprove Findledomathings? Of course not, for I just made it up (I thinkWink. The active part of atheism is response to the effects of belief on others, not the inaction of disbelief.
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31-12-2013, 02:40 PM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
(31-12-2013 01:03 PM)WeAreTheCosmos Wrote:  The part you seem to have trouble grasping is that when someone makes a claim, you either believe it or you dont. You needn't dismiss it completely, but you do either believe it or not.

If I said "I have a $20 bill in my pocket"
You either believe it or not.
If you do not believe it, you needn't dismiss it. Perhaps you are waiting for proof. When proof is presented you may change your mind. "I dont believe and I dont disbelieve" doesn't work, because as soon as you decide its anything other than a true claim, you do not believe it. Even if you are indecisive, you technically have not accepted it as true, and thus do not believe it.

The point is, if I said "God exists." You either believe that claim or you don't. If you do not believe it, you may be waiting for proof. You may change your mind, but you either believe the claim or do not. Agnosticism is NOT in between, its simply admitting that you dont know for sure.

You can believe the claim and be agnostic. You can disbelieve the claim and be agnostic.

True enough that agnosticism is independent of belief, but I don't agree that "you believe it or you don't" exhausts the possibilities. It is always possible to not know what the hell is being talked about. What is a god? How would I know if I was already married to one? I've never heard an adequate definition of either the Christian God or the genera of gods. Everything one is told is elusive, vague and suspicious in my book.

So as to knowledge of a god, certainly not. Belief? Definitely not since I find the question incoherent. Does that mean I believe no gods exist? That would entirely depend on a case by case definition of 'god'. Perhaps there are some who define gods in such a way that I would believe. I can't rule out that possibility.

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Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?'
Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land;
Man got to tell himself he understand.”

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31-12-2013, 02:45 PM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
(31-12-2013 02:40 PM)whateverist Wrote:  
(31-12-2013 01:03 PM)WeAreTheCosmos Wrote:  The part you seem to have trouble grasping is that when someone makes a claim, you either believe it or you dont. You needn't dismiss it completely, but you do either believe it or not.

If I said "I have a $20 bill in my pocket"
You either believe it or not.
If you do not believe it, you needn't dismiss it. Perhaps you are waiting for proof. When proof is presented you may change your mind. "I dont believe and I dont disbelieve" doesn't work, because as soon as you decide its anything other than a true claim, you do not believe it. Even if you are indecisive, you technically have not accepted it as true, and thus do not believe it.

The point is, if I said "God exists." You either believe that claim or you don't. If you do not believe it, you may be waiting for proof. You may change your mind, but you either believe the claim or do not. Agnosticism is NOT in between, its simply admitting that you dont know for sure.

You can believe the claim and be agnostic. You can disbelieve the claim and be agnostic.

True enough that agnosticism is independent of belief, but I don't agree that "you believe it or you don't" exhausts the possibilities. It is always possible to not know what the hell is being talked about. What is a god? How would I know if I was already married to one? I've never heard an adequate definition of either the Christian God or the genera of gods. Everything one is told is elusive, vague and suspicious in my book.

So as to knowledge of a god, certainly not. Belief? Definitely not since I find the question incoherent. Does that mean I believe no gods exist? That would entirely depend on a case by case definition of 'god'. Perhaps there are some who define gods in such a way that I would believe. I can't rule out that possibility.

Sounds to me that you are what is known as Igtheist.

Don't ya just hate humanity's tendency to label everything? Big Grin

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31-12-2013, 03:16 PM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
(31-12-2013 01:03 PM)WeAreTheCosmos Wrote:  
(31-12-2013 12:33 PM)Brownshirt Wrote:  How wonderfully simplistic. If there's no evidence for the light bulb being on or off why should I make a statement either way? If you believe there's evidence for a reason for existence present it. Given what we do know about the universe tell me why I should make a decision either way.

You really have a hard time with comprehension and critical thinking. I clearly stated that being agnostic is reasonable when it comes to whether or not god exists. So we agree there.

The part you seem to have trouble grasping is that when someone makes a claim, you either believe it or you dont. You needn't dismiss it completely, but you do either believe it or not.

If I said "I have a $20 bill in my pocket"
You either believe it or not.
If you do not believe it, you needn't dismiss it. Perhaps you are waiting for proof. When proof is presented you may change your mind. "I dont believe and I dont disbelieve" doesn't work, because as soon as you decide its anything other than a true claim, you do not believe it. Even if you are indecisive, you technically have not accepted it as true, and thus do not believe it.

The point is, if I said "God exists." You either believe that claim or you don't. If you do not believe it, you may be waiting for proof. You may change your mind, but you either believe the claim or do not. Agnosticism is NOT in between, its simply admitting that you dont know for sure.

You can believe the claim and be agnostic. You can disbelieve the claim and be agnostic.

Your position is so typical of an atheist.
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