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01-01-2014, 01:32 AM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
(01-01-2014 01:27 AM)Brownshirt Wrote:  Why would a god need to convince you?

He does not have to, that is his prerogative.

However, a real god cannot expect blind worship whereby its followers are only to rely upon faith of its existence.

If there was a real god, it would gladly prove itself to those questioning its existence, for logically how else would one know that the god existed?
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01-01-2014, 01:47 AM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
(30-12-2013 03:20 PM)kim Wrote:  So, why didn't you answer any of my questions? You directly said to me that if I wanted to know something, just ask... I asked quite a few questions and you never responded at all to my post. Why is that?

I didn't see them.
Quote:I also included a nice graphic which may have been helpful to understand what you seem to be referring to as "position". You seem to be expecting those who refer to themselves as atheist, to take another "position" or that they've "chosen" some "wrong" or "invalid position".

Oh well, let's press on...

I'd appreciate a response. Here is a link to my post. If you prefer to proceed from here rather than go back, I'll simply ask my questions here.
I'll also include the nice graphic.

Helpful graphic:
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The graphic is helpful for atheists, I don't fit on there sorry. You focus on your disbelief. I think that a creator is plausible so don't disbelieve or believe. If you think that as I don't follow one of the religions I'm an atheist, good for you, I don't care.

I'm not talking about a specific god, i'm talking about a cause for existence. Belief plays no role here, it only does for atheists as I think you're anti-theism.



Quote:Why are you here on this particular forum?
I googled atheist forums. I find atheism as solely a reactive movement to religion, that's fine I don't care. I dislike the claims atheists hold towards their truth. You've reacted too far and are now a religion. You all use the same points, which only atheists believe to be valid. It's become equivalent to a new religion.

Quote:Are you trying to learn about different ideas and people ... possibly to find out why those ideas and people are different than you and your ideas?

No I'm seeing if all atheists are the same. And so far I would say yes. You subscribe to set of values on how to assess the world, what the world is.


Quote:Do you frequent other forums? If so, what kinds?

Yes, philosophy, bass Pplaying, football. Why is this relevant?
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Quote:The position comes across as one who wants to be recognised as one who negates any form of god but not have to prove anything.

Position? Are you talking about the position of being atheist - the position of being without faith in a god? That position would refer to the belief that God does not exist; a position of "belief" may be unsubstantiated (since evidence is not present) and makes no claim, per se. A position which does not make a claim, carries no burden of proof.

So you're a materialist?

Quote:2. What is the purpose of atheism?

I don't know if there is a purpose as such... atheism does stand in opposition to theism. Since we are asking questions: what is the purpose of theism?

i'm not a theist. Ask one.



I do have some final questions:
What of theism?
Quote:Have you gone on to theist forums and asked them...


Yes a little bit bit, but it serves no purpose for me.

Quote:Why do you have an active belief?
I don't
Quote:What is the purpose of theism?
No idea.

Quote:Why believe evidence is (or will be) available to confirm a god?
I don't. I'm a strong agnostic, as in I don't believe evidence will be available either way, hence why I find your dependence on evidence to be incorrect. Particularly as there's none for either atheism or theism. Both sides try to twist perspectives but there really isn't

If
Quote:you have gone to theist forums and asked these questions, why do you do this?

To see if their perspectives made sense.

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01-01-2014, 01:48 AM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
(01-01-2014 01:32 AM)Foxen Wrote:  
(01-01-2014 01:27 AM)Brownshirt Wrote:  Why would a god need to convince you?

He does not have to, that is his prerogative.

However, a real god cannot expect blind worship whereby its followers are only to rely upon faith of its existence.

If there was a real god, it would gladly prove itself to those questioning its existence, for logically how else would one know that the god existed?

How are you in a position to say what a real god should or shouldn't do?
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01-01-2014, 01:58 AM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
(01-01-2014 01:48 AM)Brownshirt Wrote:  How are you in a position to say what a real god should or shouldn't do?

I am in a position of reality whereby there must be no god because it has not revealed itself.

Therefore, I am in the perfect position to indicate precisely what a real god would do in order to ensure its existence was known to all.
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01-01-2014, 02:35 AM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
(01-01-2014 01:58 AM)Foxen Wrote:  
(01-01-2014 01:48 AM)Brownshirt Wrote:  How are you in a position to say what a real god should or shouldn't do?

I am in a position of reality whereby there must be no god because it has not revealed itself.

Therefore, I am in the perfect position to indicate precisely what a real god would do in order to ensure its existence was known to all.

Ok I'll rephrase then. Why would a god reveal itself to you? And why would a god allow you to be able to assess what reality is?
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01-01-2014, 02:44 AM (This post was last modified: 01-01-2014 03:01 AM by evenheathen.)
RE: 3 questions for atheists
I for one have carefully considered the evidence for a god, and have not found any to be sufficient. Therefore I lack a belief in a god.

Oh shit, I fall within the definition of an atheist. Consider

That being said, I don't believe that any human, past or present has come up with any sufficient evidence for, or against a god. The secrets of the universe thus far escape us, so I can easily hold the idea of a supreme being plausible as the complete answer to everything we know in our existence.

Oh fuck, I fall within the definition of an agnostic. Angel

You like to throw words around like they mean a goddamned thing and stir up a fuss.

You either a) are an idiot and can't distinguish between different meanings for
different terms. Or
b) you know exactly what you're doing and are here only to troll. In which
case I say, well done sir.

I don't claim knowledge of any sort. All that I know is that a while back I took a really good look into what I was brought up to believe and I found it to be severely lacking in real world sincerity. I found myself to lack a belief in god. I don't have many people in my life who I can talk to about this or anything else in the light of the fact that I no longer believe.

This forum is a place that I can.

I have no motive other than that. The fact that you don't understand it doesn't matter one bit to me, but I'm throwing my 2 out because you asked.

I'm drunk now, and my wife is pissed because I'm on here and not in bed with her so I'm gotta go. Happy new year.

But now I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.

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01-01-2014, 03:11 AM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
(01-01-2014 02:44 AM)evenheathen Wrote:  I for one have carefully considered the evidence for a god, and have not found any to be sufficient. Therefore I lack a belief in a god.

Oh shit, I fall within the definition of an atheist. Consider

That being said, I don't believe that any human, past or present has come up with any sufficient evidence for, or against a god. The secrets of the universe thus far escape us, so I can easily hold the idea of a supreme being plausible as the complete answer to everything we know in our existence.

Oh fuck, I fall within the definition of an agnostic. Angel

The agnostic position makes sense, so why bother with the weak atheist label? Do you lack belief in no god?
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01-01-2014, 01:27 PM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
(01-01-2014 01:01 AM)Brownshirt Wrote:  
(31-12-2013 12:42 PM)Ameron1963 Wrote:  1. Do you believe that meatballs from South Carolina have rolled into a nuclear power plant, mated with termites and are currently attacking Italian restaurant's across the nation!??? I don't have to prove that god exists. You do!

2. Atheism does not have a purpose. It is: "a disbelief in the existence of deity". It's not a belief of something.

3. Since there is no evidence to support the existence of any god, but a great deal of evidence to support other reasons for all that exists, atheists kind of have the upper hand in the debate.

1. Nope I don't have to prove anything, nor would I bother to disprove your claim, or even comment on it. I realise you make your claim as ridiculous as possible to give your position the pretension of having a grip truth. All you have is a grip on is your lack of belief, well done, how marvelously pointless.

2. Of course it's a belief. If you discount a deity you must have a rationale for doing so, and believe you have some sort of proof for existence which discounts it. Given that there's no proof which does anything of the sort, yours is a belief. A leap of faith, a non-god of the gaps if you will.

3. What evidence do you have? I would love to hear this. I'm expecting the obvious Evolution, Big Bang, possibly even Quantum Fluctuations and perhaps some Krauss as well? Sleepy

Atheists have nothing of the sort. You just like to think you do.


Yes, my thoughts about meatballs are ridiculous! Explain, again, how the idea of a deity, who existed before existence is not ridiculous? I'm sure that the "Big Bang" is a non-starter for you, because you have to ask: "What happened before that?" Me too! That puzzles me! But the idea of a god doesn't answer the question. What happened before god?
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01-01-2014, 01:41 PM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
(01-01-2014 01:01 AM)Brownshirt Wrote:  
(31-12-2013 12:42 PM)Ameron1963 Wrote:  1. Do you believe that meatballs from South Carolina have rolled into a nuclear power plant, mated with termites and are currently attacking Italian restaurant's across the nation!??? I don't have to prove that god exists. You do!

2. Atheism does not have a purpose. It is: "a disbelief in the existence of deity". It's not a belief of something.

3. Since there is no evidence to support the existence of any god, but a great deal of evidence to support other reasons for all that exists, atheists kind of have the upper hand in the debate.

1. Nope I don't have to prove anything, nor would I bother to disprove your claim, or even comment on it. I realise you make your claim as ridiculous as possible to give your position the pretension of having a grip truth. All you have is a grip on is your lack of belief, well done, how marvelously pointless.

2. Of course it's a belief. If you discount a deity you must have a rationale for doing so, and believe you have some sort of proof for existence which discounts it. Given that there's no proof which does anything of the sort, yours is a belief. A leap of faith, a non-god of the gaps if you will.

3. What evidence do you have? I would love to hear this. I'm expecting the obvious Evolution, Big Bang, possibly even Quantum Fluctuations and perhaps some Krauss as well? Sleepy

Atheists have nothing of the sort. You just like to think you do.


"Of course it's a belief. If you discount a deity you must have a rationale for doing so, and believe you have some sort of proof for existence which discounts it."

Here's the difference: I don't have a "belief" in anything science has to offer. I have information. Much of science is convincing to me. Some of it is not. String theory, for instance, strikes me as science fiction. Doesn't mean it's wrong. I just have a difficult time with the concept. Don't "believe" it! But, someone who understands it better than I do might be able to change my mind about it.
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01-01-2014, 01:55 PM
RE: 3 questions for atheists
(28-12-2013 12:36 AM)Brownshirt Wrote:  1. Why do you have an active lack of belief? The position comes across as one who wants to be recognised as one who negates any form of god but not have to prove anything.

2. What is the purpose of atheism?

3. Why believe evidence is (or will be) available to confirm or negate a god?

1) I don't consider my lack of belief to be active.
2) uhh o.O why would there be a purpose?
3) I don't. Which is why I don't believe in god...
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