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17-06-2015, 07:10 AM
RE: 9/11 EXPOSED
(16-06-2015 08:51 PM)Chas Wrote:  You claim there wasn't enough heat to weaken the steel. Show us your math.

Would you provide a link to where I said that on this site?

Those calculations were done ages ago:

http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guar...ow-hot.htm

Where is there accurate data on the distribution of steel down the towers? All that needs to be done is a computer simulation of the north tower. Completely remove 5 stories, 91 thru 95. That would leave a 60 foot gap, more damage than aircraft impact and fires could possibly do. Then simulate the drop of 15 storeys onto 90 storeys.

So how is it that our engineering schools can't do something that simple in 13 years?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caATBZEKL4c

But where is there accurate data on steel and concrete distributions.

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17-06-2015, 10:53 AM
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(17-06-2015 07:10 AM)psikeyhackr Wrote:  Completely remove 5 stories, 91 thru 95. That would leave a 60 foot gap, more damage than aircraft impact and fires could possibly do
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17-06-2015, 12:39 PM
RE: 9/11 EXPOSED
(17-06-2015 07:10 AM)psikeyhackr Wrote:  
(16-06-2015 08:51 PM)Chas Wrote:  You claim there wasn't enough heat to weaken the steel. Show us your math.

Would you provide a link to where I said that on this site?

Here you go:
(16-06-2015 08:19 AM)psikeyhackr Wrote:  Did you have to force air into the fire to get it hot enough or could it work just by convection?

How many TONS of steel did you work at once? Have you asked how many TONS of steel were on each level of the towers? How much TIME did it take for the metal to get hot enough for you to work it?

You are skeptical that there was enough heat to weaken a bunch of steel. On what basis do you express that? How much heat? How much steel?

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17-06-2015, 03:39 PM
RE: 9/11 EXPOSED
(17-06-2015 07:10 AM)psikeyhackr Wrote:  Those calculations were done ages ago:

http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guar...ow-hot.htm

Are you a qualified engineer? Are you a Jew?

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17-06-2015, 04:03 PM
RE: 9/11 EXPOSED
(17-06-2015 07:10 AM)psikeyhackr Wrote:  But where is there accurate data on steel and concrete distributions.

Here are the numbers from a qualified engineer.

Various sites give slightly different results but the following figures seem to be generally accepted.

Steel used in the WTC: 200,000 tons (I will use metric tons, not short tons. A metric ton is 1000 kg).
Volume of steel (at 7900 kg/cubic meter): 25,300 cubic meters.
Concrete used: 425,000 cubic yards concrete = 325,000 cubic meters
Mass of concrete (at 2400 kg/cubic meter): 780 million kg or 780,000 metric tons
Dimensions: 415 and 417 meters high by 63 meters square
The "bathtub" - the sunken basement of the buildings, is 60 feet (18 meters) deep.


It's unclear whether or not he's also a Jew.

And here's where he scoffs at you:Nutty 9-11 Physics

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17-06-2015, 04:49 PM
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(17-06-2015 04:03 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  And here's where he scoffs at you:Nutty 9-11 Physics

Good link.

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17-06-2015, 05:45 PM
RE: 9/11 EXPOSED
(17-06-2015 04:49 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(17-06-2015 04:03 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  And here's where he scoffs at you:Nutty 9-11 Physics

Good link.

Yeah, I know about him. I also know that neither he nor anyone else has built a physical model that can completely collapse like the north tower in almost 14 years. How does someone claiming to do physics on the building without accurate distribution of mass data? Good trick that!

All he has is TALK just like you.

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17-06-2015, 05:54 PM (This post was last modified: 17-06-2015 05:57 PM by psikeyhackr.)
RE: 9/11 EXPOSED
(17-06-2015 04:03 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(17-06-2015 07:10 AM)psikeyhackr Wrote:  But where is there accurate data on steel and concrete distributions.

Here are the numbers from a qualified engineer.

Various sites give slightly different results but the following figures seem to be generally accepted.

Steel used in the WTC: 200,000 tons (I will use metric tons, not short tons. A metric ton is 1000 kg).
Volume of steel (at 7900 kg/cubic meter): 25,300 cubic meters.
Concrete used: 425,000 cubic yards concrete = 325,000 cubic meters
Mass of concrete (at 2400 kg/cubic meter): 780 million kg or 780,000 metric tons
Dimensions: 415 and 417 meters high by 63 meters square
The "bathtub" - the sunken basement of the buildings, is 60 feet (18 meters) deep.


It's unclear whether or not he's also a Jew.

And here's where he scoffs at you:Nutty 9-11 Physics

Do you know what distribution means?

Was the amount of steel on the 105th level the same as the amount on the 5th level.

So where is the amount on each level specified and how is it that the people who claim they teach college physics cannot think of such simple questions? My stack of washers and paper loops had to be made stronger at the bottom even though it was only 3.5 pounds. So how much more steel is required at the bottom of a building weighing 400,000 tons?

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17-06-2015, 06:06 PM (This post was last modified: 17-06-2015 06:11 PM by GirlyMan.)
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(17-06-2015 05:54 PM)psikeyhackr Wrote:  Do you know what distribution means?

I'm no expert but I know a little. What type of distribution you talking? Uniform? Normal? Binomial? Poisson? Heavy-tail? Heavy-head? Logarithmic? Pareto? Pearson? Weibull? Dirichlet? ....

... Keep in mind that I learned this from a Jew so take it with a grain of salt.

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17-06-2015, 06:16 PM (This post was last modified: 17-06-2015 06:40 PM by GirlyMan.)
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(17-06-2015 05:45 PM)psikeyhackr Wrote:  All he has is TALK just like you.

You haz teh codez!

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