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22-06-2015, 12:59 PM
RE: 9/11 EXPOSED
(21-06-2015 08:52 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  Do you know what happens when heat rises? It causes lower air pressure. That causes air from below to be sucked up into the lower-pressure zone. When the ventilation holes are 175' wide, you're going to be sucking a lot of air from below.

Y'know, for someone who acts like he knows so much, you're pretty ignorant of basic facts.

Reply to this post when you want some more schooling.

You clearly need it.

So hot air having to go out the top of the hole in the side of the building means the entire are of the hole cannot be used for inflow. Highly inefficient.

Is that how blacksmiths design their forges? LOL

So it was 175 ft wide. There were no holes straight up for efficient convection. Why do you suppose chimneys are designed that way? But we are supposed to believe temperatures got hot enough to weaken steel strong enough to support 14 in less than two hours.

But then we never hear the quantity of steel in that area.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Inte...Tower_fire

Curious no collapses before or since!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windsor_Tower_(Madrid)

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22-06-2015, 01:04 PM
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(21-06-2015 12:57 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(21-06-2015 10:11 AM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  So... what then do you posit as happening?

He seems to have a deep-seated mistrust of physicists. After musing on it a bit, I'm not sure that's an irrational fear. Hobo

Physics, Psychology and the 9/11 Decade

Well actually there is a very curious thing about physicists:

https://aneta911.wordpress.com/2015/02/0...vs-dr-who/

For two years there haven't been any physicists to show up to defend the official story of collapse.

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22-06-2015, 01:27 PM
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(22-06-2015 12:59 PM)psikeyhackr Wrote:  
(21-06-2015 08:52 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  Do you know what happens when heat rises? It causes lower air pressure. That causes air from below to be sucked up into the lower-pressure zone. When the ventilation holes are 175' wide, you're going to be sucking a lot of air from below.

Y'know, for someone who acts like he knows so much, you're pretty ignorant of basic facts.

Reply to this post when you want some more schooling.

You clearly need it.

So hot air having to go out the top of the hole in the side of the building means the entire are of the hole cannot be used for inflow. Highly inefficient.

Is that how blacksmiths design their forges? LOL

So it was 175 ft wide. There were no holes straight up for efficient convection. Why do you suppose chimneys are designed that way? But we are supposed to believe temperatures got hot enough to weaken steel strong enough to support 14 in less than two hours.

But then we never hear the quantity of steel in that area.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Inte...Tower_fire

Did you even read that? "According to the FEMA fire incident report on the subject, unusually good application of fireproofing on support members was a significant mitigating factor. "
And the fire was contained in a fairly short time - the WTC fires raged out of control.

Quote:Curious no collapses before or since!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windsor_Tower_(Madrid)

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" It was a very solid building, with a central core of reinforced concrete that resisted the high temperatures of the fire without collapsing."

"The fire spread quickly throughout the entire building, leading to the collapse of the outermost, steel parts of the upper floors; "

No collapse? You are an idiot.

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22-06-2015, 01:28 PM
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(22-06-2015 01:04 PM)psikeyhackr Wrote:  
(21-06-2015 12:57 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  He seems to have a deep-seated mistrust of physicists. After musing on it a bit, I'm not sure that's an irrational fear. Hobo

Physics, Psychology and the 9/11 Decade

Well actually there is a very curious thing about physicists:

https://aneta911.wordpress.com/2015/02/0...vs-dr-who/

For two years there haven't been any physicists to show up to defend the official story of collapse.

psik

Perhaps they have better things to do than argue with incompetents on the internet?

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22-06-2015, 01:44 PM
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A brief and interesting read.

http://www.csicop.org/si/show/the_9_11_t...cade_later

(This isn’t for your eyes psik, it’ll burn them out of their sockets if you read this.)

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22-06-2015, 01:56 PM
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(22-06-2015 01:44 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  A brief and interesting read.

http://www.csicop.org/si/show/the_9_11_t...cade_later

(This isn’t for your eyes psik, it’ll burn them out of their sockets if you read this.)

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Interesting read. The Truthers seem to me to be Americans who simply cannot get over the fact Mighty America got it's arse kicked by scruffy looking fanatics. Well America lost in Vietnam too. Is unable to control Afghanistan and failed in Iraq. Even Rome had it's Cannae.

I liked this bit.

Each floor of the towers contained over two million kilograms of mass. The gravitational potential energy of a standing tower with twelve-foot floors extending upward 110 stories can be calculated straightforwardly; it comes to over 420 billion joules of energy, or the equivalent of 100 tons of TNT per tower. This energy, which was released completely during the collapses, is more than the energy of some of the smaller nuclear weapons in the U.S. arsenal, such as the W-48 (72 tons TNT) (Sublette 2006). This is where the energy required to break columns, pulverize concrete, and expel debris through windows came from.

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22-06-2015, 04:14 PM
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(22-06-2015 01:28 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(22-06-2015 01:04 PM)psikeyhackr Wrote:  Well actually there is a very curious thing about physicists:

https://aneta911.wordpress.com/2015/02/0...vs-dr-who/

For two years there haven't been any physicists to show up to defend the official story of collapse.

psik

Perhaps they have better things to do than argue with incompetents on the internet?

I'd like to think that's true, but my posting history on this forum begs to differ.

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23-06-2015, 12:19 AM
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(22-06-2015 04:14 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(22-06-2015 01:28 PM)morondog Wrote:  Perhaps they have better things to do than argue with incompetents on the internet?

I'd like to think that's true, but my posting history on this forum begs to differ.

Ahem Big Grin *Real* physicists have better things to... Yikes! Bechased

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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23-06-2015, 12:26 AM
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(22-06-2015 12:59 PM)psikeyhackr Wrote:  So hot air having to go out the top of the hole in the side of the building means the entire are of the hole cannot be used for inflow. Highly inefficient.

Uh, that building had millions of cubic feet of air in it already. And being gaseous, it will find its way to the lower pressure area.

(22-06-2015 12:59 PM)psikeyhackr Wrote:  So it was 175 ft wide. There were no holes straight up for efficient convection. Why do you suppose chimneys are designed that way? But we are supposed to believe temperatures got hot enough to weaken steel strong enough to support 14 in less than two hours.

You apparently didn't understand what I was saying. Firefighters put holes in the roofs precisely to vent the heat and smoke. It makes firefighting easier. When you don't have efficient ventilation, you will still have airflow, and therefore you will still have combustion, but what you will also have is a buildup of heat and toxic vapors. Now the vapors don't matter in this discussion, but the fact that the heat couldn't be vented efficiently means that --surprise, surprise! -- it stayed inside the building where it continued to act upon the structure.

Say, while you're doing all this research, could you take an English class or two? I'm trying to dumb this down as much as possible, but fucking Christ, a guy can only go so far. You need to pick up your end.
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23-06-2015, 09:48 AM
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(22-06-2015 01:44 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  A brief and interesting read.

http://www.csicop.org/si/show/the_9_11_t...cade_later

(This isn’t for your eyes psik, it’ll burn them out of their sockets if you read this.)

My, my, what BRILLIANCE. If your read it you didn't understand it.

Did you read this:

Quote:Each floor of the towers contained over two million kilograms of mass. The gravitational potential energy of a standing tower with twelve-foot floors extending upward 110 stories can be calculated straightforwardly; it comes to over 420 billion joules of energy, or the equivalent of 100 tons of TNT per tower.
http://www.csicop.org/si/show/the_9_11_t...cade_later

They are saying each floor was 2200 tons. Times 110 is 242,000 tons for the above ground weight. But that means they are computing the gravitational potential energy on the basis of equal mass at every level.

I already showed you that the distribution of mass affected the potential energy.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/for...tcount=316

No matter what the truth of 9/11 is the potential energy cannot be computed accurately without the correct distribution of mass. So that first link is obvious nonsense to anyone that actually understands the potential energy equation. We need to know the tons of steel and tons of concrete on every level.

They say FLOOR instead of LEVEL. The concrete floor slab around the core was 600 tons. The trusses and pans were 150 tons. The amount of steel in the perimeter and in the core changed down the building.

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