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20-06-2015, 04:47 PM
RE: 9 Dead in SC church shooting
(20-06-2015 04:41 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(20-06-2015 04:34 PM)Kestrel Wrote:  Cars as weapons;
At least three killed in Austria after man drives into crowd before 'stabbing passers-by' in Graz

Cars: not made to be weapons for killing

Guns: weapons designed for killing

Nope.

Cars: Some designed to go far faster than safe or legal

Guns: Many designed as sporting tools, e.g. trap guns, target guns.

Don't go making blanket generalizations that are easily falsified.

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20-06-2015, 04:50 PM
RE: 9 Dead in SC church shooting
(20-06-2015 08:30 AM)kim Wrote:  
(20-06-2015 07:48 AM)JDog554 Wrote:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumbria_shootings

4? Is that all? 4 incedents in ~30 years?

How pastoral. Drinking Beverage

This post was not to make any point, it was just to inform adey67 of a more recent event.

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20-06-2015, 04:51 PM
9 Dead in SC church shooting
(20-06-2015 04:47 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(20-06-2015 04:41 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Cars: not made to be weapons for killing

Guns: weapons designed for killing

Nope.

Cars: Some designed to go far faster than safe or legal

Guns: Many designed as sporting tools, e.g. trap guns, target guns.

Don't go making blanket generalizations that are easily falsified.

Guns were originally designed for sport?!!!! Fuck me, that sounds incorrect.

Cars: designed for transport, not killing. Some have been designed for use in sport to go fast.

Guns: designed to hurl projectiles as fast and accurately as possible to kill the target at the other end. Some people have adapted them into sporting events in the modern realm.

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20-06-2015, 04:52 PM
9 Dead in SC church shooting
Unless you're arguing that the intent and purpose of the design of the gun isn't to kill, chas?

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20-06-2015, 04:56 PM
RE: 9 Dead in SC church shooting
(20-06-2015 04:52 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Unless you're arguing that the intent and purpose of the design of the gun isn't to kill, chas?

The design and intent of many firearms is not to kill. The origin of firearms is immaterial.
And many vehicles are not designed for safe transport.

You know that the javelin used in the field event was designed to kill? It's a weapon of war.

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20-06-2015, 04:59 PM
9 Dead in SC church shooting
(20-06-2015 04:56 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(20-06-2015 04:52 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Unless you're arguing that the intent and purpose of the design of the gun isn't to kill, chas?

The design and intent of many firearms is not to kill. The origin of firearms is immaterial.
And many vehicles are not designed for safe transport.

You know that the javelin used in the field event was designed to kill? It's a weapon of war.

Yes, many things like swords and javelins were also designed to kill and have been co-opted for sport. Some guns have been too.

And the original intent doesn't matter when it comes to guns because of how some people use them? But the original intent of the 2nd amendment does?

Guns are weapons. Cars are not. The purpose they've been co-opted for is immaterial.

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20-06-2015, 04:59 PM
RE: 9 Dead in SC church shooting
(20-06-2015 04:41 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Cars: not made to be weapons for killing

Guns: weapons designed for killing

Dead is dead, mate.
The intent is the concern. Not the means. Since inanimate objects do not proceed from intent, it is the "intellect" responsible. Guns, cars, clubs, rocks, fists, or box cutters in airplanes.

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20-06-2015, 05:01 PM
9 Dead in SC church shooting
(20-06-2015 04:59 PM)Kestrel Wrote:  
(20-06-2015 04:41 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Cars: not made to be weapons for killing

Guns: weapons designed for killing

Dead is dead, mate.
The intent is the concern. Not the means. Since inanimate objects do not proceed from intent, it is the "intellect" responsible. Guns, cars, clubs, rocks, fists, or box cutters in airplanes.

Dead is dead. And it's a lot easier to do make people dead with weapons designed to make the process easier.

Because other objects can kill, the purpose and design of guns doesn't matter?

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20-06-2015, 05:03 PM
RE: 9 Dead in SC church shooting
(20-06-2015 05:01 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(20-06-2015 04:59 PM)Kestrel Wrote:  Dead is dead, mate.
The intent is the concern. Not the means. Since inanimate objects do not proceed from intent, it is the "intellect" responsible. Guns, cars, clubs, rocks, fists, or box cutters in airplanes.

Dead is dead. And it's a lot easier to do make people dead with weapons designed to make the process easier.

Because other objects can kill, the purpose and design of guns doesn't matter?

If this shooter wasn't a racist on a mission to kill black people it wouldn't have happened. The core of this is the motive.

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20-06-2015, 05:06 PM
RE: 9 Dead in SC church shooting
(20-06-2015 04:59 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(20-06-2015 04:56 PM)Chas Wrote:  The design and intent of many firearms is not to kill. The origin of firearms is immaterial.
And many vehicles are not designed for safe transport.

You know that the javelin used in the field event was designed to kill? It's a weapon of war.

Yes, many things like swords and javelins were also designed to kill and have been co-opted for sport. Some guns have been too.

And the original intent doesn't matter when it comes to guns because of how some people use them? But the original intent of the 2nd amendment does?

Guns are weapons. Cars are not. The purpose they've been co-opted for is immaterial.

Sporting guns are weapons as much as a javelin or a saber. The purpose is for sport.

I have a trap shotgun. It is a break-action, single shot shotgun - a very ineffective weapon. Its design and purpose are sporting.

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