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21-06-2015, 04:19 PM
RE: 9 Dead in SC church shooting
(21-06-2015 04:02 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(21-06-2015 03:55 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Pretty sure the stocks and magazines are what the People's Republic of Maryland are regulating not the caliber. Ain't you doing the same in Massachewie?

Not exactly. In the Democratic Socialist Commonwealth of Massachusetts, the law is essentially the now-lapsed federal "Assault Weapons Ban" continued with a few flourishes added.

So, a pistol grip is OK, but with no more than one of the following: large capacity magazine, flash suppressor, threaded barrel to accommodate a flash suppressor, bayonet lug, collapsible stock, or grenade launcher.

The fuck? Sounds like I could equip a long gun with a flash suppressor and a threaded barrel to accommodate it and as long as I got no pistol grip I'm good. Why the NRA got a hardon for your State?

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21-06-2015, 04:41 PM (This post was last modified: 21-06-2015 07:46 PM by Thumpalumpacus.)
RE: 9 Dead in SC church shooting
(21-06-2015 03:42 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(21-06-2015 03:26 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  This rifle:

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and this rifle:

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... are essentially the same weapon. What the hell does "military style" have to do with anything other than political theater where the actors want to look like they're doing something?

I think in The Peoples Republic of Maryland the difference is that the pistol grip makes it much easier to modify the weapon so it can be concealed. Long guns are perfectly legal in Maryland and don't need to be registered. Long guns which can easily be modified into something different aren't.

I don't have a problem with making firearms more difficult to conceal. I think it's good to know who around you is carrying one. But my point was that people who go bananas over "military-style assault weapons" have no problem with the same gun with a wood stock.
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21-06-2015, 05:04 PM
RE: 9 Dead in SC church shooting
Why the fuck oh why would you object to a fucking smart gun which can only be fired by the owner? And yet the NRA and its stooges almost forced this gun dealer in Maryland out of business for even contemplating it. All I can think is they have no rational argument against it so the Luddites think they can pick the technologists off one at a time. They are wrong. Luddites always are.

“It makes no sense to me why gun rights people would say certain types of guns shouldn’t be purchased,” Teret said.

Threats against Maryland gun dealer raise doubts about future of smart guns

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21-06-2015, 05:12 PM
RE: 9 Dead in SC church shooting
(21-06-2015 05:04 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Why the fuck oh why would you object to a fucking smart gun which can only be fired by the owner? And yet the NRA and its stooges almost forced this gun dealer in Maryland out of business for even contemplating it. All I can think is they have no rational argument against it so the Luddites think they can pick the technologists off one at a time. They are wrong. Luddites always are.

“It makes no sense to me why gun rights people would say certain types of guns shouldn’t be purchased,” Teret said.

Threats against Maryland gun dealer raise doubts about future of smart guns


Because the NRA realises the facts are completely against them. The one and only
thing the pro-gun side has is "I like guns" so any advancement by intelligent gun control probably will eventually lead to a world where purchasing a gun becomes a hassle and not worth the bother and we can't have that.

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21-06-2015, 05:19 PM
RE: 9 Dead in SC church shooting
(21-06-2015 04:00 PM)Impulse Wrote:  
(21-06-2015 01:52 PM)Stevil Wrote:  ...
or, you could seek to support gun control.

First, let's remember that gun control is not gun banning.
Sure.

(21-06-2015 04:00 PM)Impulse Wrote:  Second, your argument amounts to "we could attack the real problem or we could just support gun control".
That's not my argument. We could try multiple approaches at the same time.
I don't think you are ever going to make everyone happy. There are limited resources so there will always be conflict.

(21-06-2015 04:00 PM)Impulse Wrote:  The next thing you would see is an increase in bombings, stabbings, crude chemical weapons, or other violent and deadly methods because you wouldn't have taken away the real problem.
Many countries have stronger gun control law than the US, and many of these countries don't have vast issues with bombings, stabbings, crude chemical weapons etc. I just don't quite agree with your predicted outcome from implementing tighter gun control.
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21-06-2015, 05:31 PM (This post was last modified: 21-06-2015 05:56 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: 9 Dead in SC church shooting
(21-06-2015 05:12 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(21-06-2015 05:04 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Why the fuck oh why would you object to a fucking smart gun which can only be fired by the owner? And yet the NRA and its stooges almost forced this gun dealer in Maryland out of business for even contemplating it. All I can think is they have no rational argument against it so the Luddites think they can pick the technologists off one at a time. They are wrong. Luddites always are.

“It makes no sense to me why gun rights people would say certain types of guns shouldn’t be purchased,” Teret said.

Threats against Maryland gun dealer raise doubts about future of smart guns


Because the NRA realises the facts are completely against them. The one and only
thing the pro-gun side has is "I like guns" so any advancement by intelligent gun control probably will eventually lead to a world where purchasing a gun becomes a hassle and not worth the bother and we can't have that.

Ah, so a smart gun is a slippery slope to the point where every gun is assigned to a specific individual who agrees to accept responsibility for it. Kinda like what the military and police routinely do. In my mind the NRA has become a caricature of itself. They are laughable.

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21-06-2015, 05:36 PM
RE: 9 Dead in SC church shooting
Yo know it's strange the cultural differences. Here in large parts (if not all) of the UK, if someone mentioned that they owned a handgun, they would be considered odd and someone not to be trusted. They would certainly be given a wide berth. Rational or not, it's true. We think owning a handgun is something only criminals do, and even that seems to be rare. Don't know why it's so different over in the US.

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21-06-2015, 05:39 PM
RE: 9 Dead in SC church shooting
(21-06-2015 05:36 PM)joben1 Wrote:  Yo know it's strange the cultural differences. Here in large parts (if not all) of the UK, if someone mentioned that they owned a handgun, they would be considered odd and someone not to be trusted. They would certainly be given a wide berth. Rational or not, it's true. We think owning a handgun is something only criminals do, and even that seems to be rare. Don't know why it's so different over in the US.

Even in the US it's odd when someone mentions it, but for different reasons.

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21-06-2015, 06:05 PM
RE: 9 Dead in SC church shooting
(21-06-2015 02:20 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(21-06-2015 10:49 AM)Fodder_From_The_Truth Wrote:  My opinion part is that I don't think the guns serve much of a purpose.

And yes I've read all the posts, don't think I missed any. If you mean about the guns being "sport" guns, I think that's just silly. They are military styled firearms.

They are good hunting rifles. Your problem is they they resemble a military weapon?

Nearly all sporting arms are derived from military designs.

Like I said early, I've been around hunting my entire life and I've never seen a hunter use such a weapon to hunt an animal.
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21-06-2015, 06:13 PM
RE: 9 Dead in SC church shooting
(21-06-2015 06:05 PM)Fodder_From_The_Truth Wrote:  
(21-06-2015 02:20 PM)Chas Wrote:  They are good hunting rifles. Your problem is they they resemble a military weapon?

Nearly all sporting arms are derived from military designs.

Like I said early, I've been around hunting my entire life and I've never seen a hunter use such a weapon to hunt an animal.

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