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05-08-2011, 02:29 PM (This post was last modified: 05-08-2011 03:41 PM by Buddy Christ.)
A Big Brother bill now in congress parading as a protection law
There's a bill in Congress right now that's already made it through committee, passed by a 19-10 vote, and it's primary goal is to take away your civil liberties by monitoring every single thing you do online. Your Internet Service Providers would be required to track everything you do and visit while keeping records of your name, bank account numbers, IP address, and every online action you take.

How is an invasive bill like this getting any support, you ask? Because of its name. It has been brilliantly adorned with the title, "Protecting Children from Internet Pornographers Act of 2011." So to go against this act is to go against "protecting children." This is an invasion of privacy act sold under the guise of child safety. This is akin to someone following you around all day with a notepad, a sort of court stenographer for your life's daily routine. And that analogy is even more fitting when you consider that this bill grants the government the right to treat everyone like criminals in order to weed out the 1% that actually ARE criminals.

And just like every other law that gets passed against the will of the people, it will just breed a new class of criminals. Innocent, law-obeying citizens will start using proxy servers and public wi-fi to avoid this invasion, essentially creating a "black market" of illegal anonymous internet providers.

And finally, I'd just like to point out that this bill is supported by more Repubs than Dems. First, the Patriot Act. Then the law that allows Arizona cops to pull over anyone who isn't white in the name of "protecting America from immigrants." Now this. For the party that's supposed to represent smaller government, Republicans certainly seem to have switched sides on the political ideology spectrum.

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05-08-2011, 02:55 PM
RE: A Big Brother bill now in congress parading as a protection law
I'm kinda mixed on this sorta stuff. I think that this is going a bit far as it could be very open to abuse but if it was implemented and not abused I wouldn't have a problem with it as I don't do anything I shouldn't online. I know it's a matter of principle to some people but if even just one paedophile is caught because of this then I would happily sacrifice my principle (I know I'm not actually American and so not affected but I'm talking hypothetically).

We get a lot of people over here going on about privacy and most of the time I really don't understand it. A few months ago one of our newspapers led a campaign to make it illegal for the police to keep DNA samples of innocent people as they felt it was an invasion of privacy. I thought it was the most stupid thing I've ever heard, I really don't see the problem with the police having my DNA as I'm not planning on committing any crimes and having DNA samples for the whole country would surely help fight crime.

We get the general public complaining about the amount of CCTV cameras around as well. To be honest, if I'm going to be attacked I'd rather it was on CCTV and I just don't buy that the Government are going to watch me all day for no reason and even if they did, so what? They'd just be watching me go to work, the shops or the pub, I couldn't really care less.

When we had a census my dad wrote 'FUCK OFF' across the page that asked where he worked which I also don't understand as it wasn't to his detriment for the Government to know about his work address.

I suppose the privacy thing is more of an issue on your side of the Atlantic though as I can imagine your Government being far more invasive to the point where it is an issue (like with the bill you mentioned). Over here though the whole thing is a joke, people are fighting against stuff that could see tens of thousands of criminals convicted and just as many crime prevented just because their principles are infringed. Makes fuck all sense to me.

Bloody hell. I really went off on a mini-rant there didn't I. Sorry to get quite so off the point.

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05-08-2011, 03:22 PM
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In Canada recently, there was one of those omnibus crime bills that makes a bunch of things illegal that you may not have done, or want to do, but might need to, sometime (like smoke pot, so's to stop puking) and some other stuff that you may not even know you're doing. And they added to the existing law against promoting hate-violence that it's now illegal to link to a hate site, or allow anyone participating in your forum or blog or on-line discussion to link to such a site. A lot of people didn't see anything wrong with that, because we already have hate laws.

Problem 1. Definition. Past legislators defined it one way, present legislators another way, future legislators - who knows? Courts have ruled one way, are ruling another way, will rule - who knows? If you leave something potentially invasive so wide open to interpretation that you can't control or predict, it will be abused.

Problem 2. Ulterior motive. Is the surface meaning all there is, or does somebody have something - money or power, usually - to gain? Is there a quiet little rider that you don't know about? Or a clause that circumvents due process?

Problem 3. Enforcement. Do you really trust your current and future governments and their various duly-constituted, or undocumented, or not-yet-conceived agencies to stick to the letter of law? What powers of enforcement are given to what bodies? What happens to information obtained? How secure are the enforcement agencies' procedures?

I might well have the same kind of problem with DNA retention. Maybe the cop who took those samples was honest. But how do i know they won't fall into hands that may want to do me harm - by what means - and for what reason? It's all about trust. And i don't.

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05-08-2011, 03:40 PM
RE: A Big Brother bill now in congress parading as a protection law
Here's a few links about it.

Time magazine article

The Atlantic article





TheAmazingAtheist's video on it. Starts at 3:49.



America was founded on the concept of personal "liberty." That's why we throw that word around so much in all of our founding doctrines and slogans. We consider our country to have been founded through people escaping oppression of religion and politics. So every time a law comes along that attempts to mandate what we can and can't do/own/think, we react to it. Any time someone attempts to take our guns, our freedom to harm ourselves (drugs, fast food, etc), or impose on our privacy, it's contrary to the entire basis that this country is built on.

This seems like yet another attempt to get citizens to place their full trust in the hands of the government officials. Giving up our rights for the illusion of safety from a police state ideology. Like it mentions in the articles, it's not difficult at all for the police to get IP and personal information from the ISP's when it comes to warrants and suspected pedophiles anyways, so why the need to start a "dossier" on everyone?

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06-08-2011, 12:17 AM
RE: A Big Brother bill now in congress parading as a protection law
You got nothing to worry about. It's impossible to stop file-sharing. It's just another arms race.

Government/Corporations try to persecute file sharers. Developers improve file sharing utilities to improve anonymity and make the system decentralized and harder to track. Hackers build better tools to circumvent copy protections or more people use other systems like Linux.

Now I better get back to my downloading!

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06-08-2011, 11:56 AM
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Ugh.. last straw, I'm currently looking for property in Scandinavia...

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06-08-2011, 02:21 PM
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(06-08-2011 12:17 AM)DeepThought Wrote:  Hackers build better tools to circumvent copy protections or more people use other systems like Linux.

UbuntU ftw


Hacking isnt cracked up to be all that good.

I mean most hackers only use programs to DDoS or Sniff for computers then use them or create back doors its pretty easy to come round

I mean ive done it testing it out with mates it fricken simple.

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06-08-2011, 07:37 PM
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(06-08-2011 02:21 PM)James The Brit Wrote:  
(06-08-2011 12:17 AM)DeepThought Wrote:  Hackers build better tools to circumvent copy protections or more people use other systems like Linux.
UbuntU ftw

Hacking isnt cracked up to be all that good.

I mean most hackers only use programs to DDoS or Sniff for computers then use them or create back doors its pretty easy to come round

I mean ive done it testing it out with mates it fricken simple.

I'm talking about actual hackers. People that write and understand code and systems. Not people that use premade tools and exploits that hackers have created.
Those people are script kiddies. Not hackers.

An example of actual hacking is removing the region locking from dvds or stripping the digital rights management from an mp3. Even writing the modified firmware for my xbox so I could download and run games directly from the internal hdd without needing a dvd.

People who can write programs to do that sort of thing are actually hackers. I wasn't talking about the hacking of websites or computers/networks. There are many types of hacking.

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07-08-2011, 03:19 AM
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Quote:An example of actual hacking is removing the region locking from dvds or stripping the digital rights management from an mp3. Even writing the modified firmware for my xbox so I could download and run games directly from the internal hdd without needing a dvd.

Isnt that a Dev kit or Jkit?

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07-08-2011, 08:03 AM
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Talked about it earlier today. If you give something the right name, you can abuse it.

This Elftor comic also explains it really well.

Now let's all enjoy our 'freedom fries'!

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