A Challenge for Moral Realists
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29-12-2015, 10:29 AM
RE: A Challenge for Moral Realists
(29-12-2015 03:08 AM)DLJ Wrote:  So I had a little time today to go over the posts in this thread.

I'm struggling to see where anyone is actually disagreeing except over semantics.

So that's all good then.

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Except EVERY disagreement is a disagreement over semantics!

When you get down to it, most of what we argue about is whether some idea or another qualifies for the words "true" or "false".

*commence 90 pages of discussion over whether the preceding statement is true or false*

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29-12-2015, 10:47 AM
RE: A Challenge for Moral Realists
(29-12-2015 10:29 AM)Reltzik Wrote:  
(29-12-2015 03:08 AM)DLJ Wrote:  So I had a little time today to go over the posts in this thread.

I'm struggling to see where anyone is actually disagreeing except over semantics.

So that's all good then.

[/thread].

Except EVERY disagreement is a disagreement over semantics!

When you get down to it, most of what we argue about is whether some idea or another qualifies for the words "true" or "false".

*commence 90 pages of discussion over whether the preceding statement is true or false*

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29-12-2015, 11:03 AM
RE: A Challenge for Moral Realists
(29-12-2015 09:26 AM)Matt Finney Wrote:  
(29-12-2015 07:43 AM)DLJ Wrote:  I have to disagree.

I'm seeing claims about 'most' atheists / theists / people, but broad agreement in this thread (except for labels).

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What about the views of Sam Harris vs. Hume?
...

I missed where they posted.

In fact, I hadn't realised they'd joined TTA.

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29-12-2015, 11:34 AM
RE: A Challenge for Moral Realists
(29-12-2015 09:26 AM)Matt Finney Wrote:  What about the views of Sam Harris vs. Hume?

Comparing Hume to Harris is immoral.

#sigh
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29-12-2015, 12:26 PM
RE: A Challenge for Moral Realists
WLC repeats this silly mantra time and again, obviously hoping to make it true...

• If God does not exist, objective moral values (and duties) do not exist;
• Objective moral values (and duties) do exist; therefore,
• God exists.

This is nothing more than a classic non sequitur, as the first point posits the antecedent condition that the Christian god exists.

I could say...

• If the police force does not exist, murder and burglary do not exist;
• Murder and burglary do exist; therefore,
• The police force exists.

—Which is just as ludicrously illogical as Craig's silly claim.

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29-12-2015, 12:39 PM
RE: A Challenge for Moral Realists
(29-12-2015 12:26 PM)SYZ Wrote:  WLC repeats this silly mantra time and again, obviously hoping to make it true...

• If God does not exist, objective moral values (and duties) do not exist;
• Objective moral values (and duties) do exist; therefore,
• God exists.

This is nothing more than a classic non sequitur, as the first point posits the antecedent condition that the Christian god exists.

I could say...

• If the police force does not exist, murder and burglary do not exist;
• Murder and burglary do exist; therefore,
• The police force exists.

—Which is just as ludicrously illogical as Craig's silly claim.

true, the only requirement for murder and crime to take place is that people are around to commit them in the first place
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29-12-2015, 12:45 PM
RE: A Challenge for Moral Realists
Selflessness.

Lack of greed or want.
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29-12-2015, 01:16 PM
RE: A Challenge for Moral Realists
(29-12-2015 12:45 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Selflessness.

Lack of greed or want.
Thank you zen master.

Are these supposedly what you think are objective morals? What is the basis of that value though? Like how do we know that looking our for others opposed to just the self is something objectively "positive?" What is it positive towards?

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29-12-2015, 01:57 PM
RE: A Challenge for Moral Realists
(29-12-2015 01:16 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(29-12-2015 12:45 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Selflessness.

Lack of greed or want.
Thank you zen master.

Are these supposedly what you think are objective morals? What is the basis of that value though? Like how do we know that looking our for others opposed to just the self is something objectively "positive?" What is it positive towards?
The peaceful advancement of all existence. What else?
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29-12-2015, 02:01 PM
RE: A Challenge for Moral Realists
(29-12-2015 01:57 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  The peaceful advancement of all existence. What else?

You have nothing to offer but deepities and it is very tiresome. Get help Pops, you need it.

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