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20-06-2014, 04:06 PM
RE: A Christian's response to"An atheist's critique of the Bible
Well, that was a rather anemic post. You need to try harder. Drinking Beverage

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20-06-2014, 04:08 PM
RE: A Christian's response to"An atheist's critique of the Bible
(20-06-2014 02:06 PM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  
(20-06-2014 01:46 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  I am free. I am free to choose to serve Christ.

You are not free to choose to serve Him. Whoever commits sin is a slave to sin.

This is purely antagonistic. No reasonable person with an at all comprehensible definition of "sin" can truly believe that.

God defines what sin is.
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20-06-2014, 04:09 PM
RE: A Christian's response to"An atheist's critique of the Bible
(20-06-2014 04:08 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(20-06-2014 02:06 PM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  This is purely antagonistic. No reasonable person with an at all comprehensible definition of "sin" can truly believe that.

God defines what sin is.

Does god tell you to be a judgemental asshole too? There is a clear difference between "committing sin" and "being slave to sin". Your implication that we are slave to our baser desires is neither relevant, productive to the conversation, nor true.
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20-06-2014, 04:30 PM
RE: A Christian's response to"An atheist's critique of the Bible
On the topic of slavery. It's hardly done & gone. Slavery still goes on in the US under certain circumstances. In some places, people are held in working camps that have guards and barb wire fences. Many places in the world still control people to such a degree that it would be considered slavery. In other places, people are bought & sold.

I worked at a hotel in which young girls who had no place else to go would end up living and working at the hotel, building up a bill that they couldn't afford to pay even while working at the hotel 40-50 hours a week. If they left, the owners of the hotel could call the police and have the person arrested for not paying their hotel bill. If you have no one in your life and your choices are working or going to jail, people tend to stay and work, even if they become trapped in the situation.

On rural farming camps, the same type of thing would happen. The company would provide a place to live and groceries for their workers, but not allow them to leave the camp. If they earned $200 a week and then have rent & groceries that cost $250 a week, they would always owe the company money and not be able to leave.

Then if we get into prostitution and pimps, it's a whole nother kind of slavery going on there. I won't go there right now, because the subject hits too close to home.

Lastly I would mention all the women in muslim countries who can't leave their home without a family male escort and can't leave their country without permission. I don't know all the details involved with islam but it's fairly fucked up.

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20-06-2014, 04:44 PM
RE: A Christian's response to"An atheist's critique of the Bible
(20-06-2014 04:09 PM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  Does god tell you to be a judgemental asshole too? There is a clear difference between "committing sin" and "being slave to sin". Your implication that we are slave to our baser desires is neither relevant, productive to the conversation, nor true.

God says those who commit sin are slaves to sin.

I am a slave to sin whenever I commit sin and I do this whenever I fail to live up to God's Holy standard which is nothing less than perfection.

I am inclined to trust God for He has proven Himself trustworthy.
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20-06-2014, 04:45 PM
RE: A Christian's response to"An atheist's critique of the Bible
(20-06-2014 04:30 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  On the topic of slavery. It's hardly done & gone. Slavery still goes on in the US under certain circumstances. In some places, people are held in working camps that have guards and barb wire fences. Many places in the world still control people to such a degree that it would be considered slavery. In other places, people are bought & sold.

I worked at a hotel in which young girls who had no place else to go would end up living and working at the hotel, building up a bill that they couldn't afford to pay even while working at the hotel 40-50 hours a week. If they left, the owners of the hotel could call the police and have the person arrested for not paying their hotel bill. If you have no one in your life and your choices are working or going to jail, people tend to stay and work, even if they become trapped in the situation.

On rural farming camps, the same type of thing would happen. The company would provide a place to live and groceries for their workers, but not allow them to leave the camp. If they earned $200 a week and then have rent & groceries that cost $250 a week, they would always owe the company money and not be able to leave.

Then if we get into prostitution and pimps, it's a whole nother kind of slavery going on there. I won't go there right now, because the subject hits too close to home.

Lastly I would mention all the women in muslim countries who can't leave their home without a family male escort and can't leave their country without permission. I don't know all the details involved with islam but it's fairly fucked up.

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20-06-2014, 04:48 PM
RE: A Christian's response to"An atheist's critique of the Bible
(20-06-2014 04:44 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(20-06-2014 04:09 PM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  Does god tell you to be a judgemental asshole too? There is a clear difference between "committing sin" and "being slave to sin". Your implication that we are slave to our baser desires is neither relevant, productive to the conversation, nor true.

God says those who commit sin are slaves to sin.

I am a slave to sin whenever I commit sin and I do this whenever I fail to live up to God's Holy standard which is nothing less than perfection.

I am inclined to trust God for He has proven Himself trustworthy.

Back pedaling and false humility. Noticing a pattern here.
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20-06-2014, 05:00 PM
RE: A Christian's response to"An atheist's critique of the Bible
Jermy, have you suffered a head injury?

Really trying to understand what you are doing here. You aren't going to convert anyone and your posts are redundant....and boring.

Can't you find a Christian site to troll?

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20-06-2014, 05:03 PM
RE: A Christian's response to"An atheist's critique of the Bible
(20-06-2014 04:48 PM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  
(20-06-2014 04:44 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  God says those who commit sin are slaves to sin.

I am a slave to sin whenever I commit sin and I do this whenever I fail to live up to God's Holy standard which is nothing less than perfection.

I am inclined to trust God for He has proven Himself trustworthy.

Back pedaling and false humility. Noticing a pattern here.

Those that commit sin are slaves to sin whether they believe it or not. Whether they agree with it or not. Whether they like the idea or not. Whether they believe God exists or not. Whether they believe in sin or not.

God has said that those who commit sin are slaves to it. Those who look at porn and lust after women and or men are slaves to it. Those who use harmful drugs like crack cocaine and alcohol in excess are slaves to it. Those who slander and lie about people are slaves to doing so. Those who live in unbelief are slaves to unbelief. Those who are selfish are slaves to themselves. Those who commit homosexual acts and fornication and adultery are slaves to all of those things. You may not like the idea. You may love doing any one of those things, all of them or none of them, but God has said that those who commit sin are slaves to sin. Period.

You can close your eyes, plug your ears, and cover your mouth. You can deny God exists all you want. Your not wanting it to be true does not make it false. Men who commit sin are slaves to sin. They cannot help themselves. They cannot help but be evil.

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20-06-2014, 05:05 PM
RE: A Christian's response to"An atheist's critique of the Bible
(20-06-2014 05:00 PM)Anjele Wrote:  Jermy, have you suffered a head injury?

Really trying to understand what you are doing here. You aren't going to convert anyone and your posts are redundant....and boring.

Can't you find a Christian site to troll?

I am here talking to atheists about atheism.

Ignore me if you desire to. Just click on my name and click add to ignore list.
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