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09-12-2013, 02:45 PM
RE: A Crossroad: An email to a church member
(09-12-2013 01:10 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  My faith is my faith. Can't shake it. It is what it is.

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09-12-2013, 02:45 PM
RE: A Crossroad: An email to a church member
(09-12-2013 02:41 PM)Dom Wrote:  
(09-12-2013 01:10 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  So... what do you think? Tough it out?

I don't know what you mean by that.

But - no reason to assume Christian people will act any different from other people.

Just sort the individuals. No point buying a whole church to have a relationship with a couple of it's members. And, like with all friendships and relationships, sort out the toxic or uncaring ones and keep the rest. Always discard the garbage and hold on to the treasures. Ask the guy and his family out with yours to go - visit an exhibition? A nativity scene? Whatever turns you on. Some kind of kid's xmas thingie? I bet you'll talk then anyway, and face to face is tons better than a letter that can be misinterpreted.

That's very true, Dom.

As I've said before, my words usually come across harsh via text.

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09-12-2013, 02:46 PM
RE: A Crossroad: An email to a church member
(09-12-2013 02:37 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  You know there's no God right?
Just thought I'd let you know that there's not.

Your Christmas theme is a hit. Good job.

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09-12-2013, 02:49 PM
RE: A Crossroad: An email to a church member
(09-12-2013 02:46 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(09-12-2013 02:37 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  You know there's no God right?
Just thought I'd let you know that there's not.

Your Christmas theme is a hit. Good job.


Might be the PRE-Christian theme of red/green/Winter Solstice they were shooting for.
Just sayin............Tongue

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09-12-2013, 02:51 PM
RE: A Crossroad: An email to a church member
(09-12-2013 02:33 PM)Vosur Wrote:  Here's the uncensored version of that letter.
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[The Stripping Nun] Laughat

I want to rep you hard for that!




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09-12-2013, 02:53 PM
RE: A Crossroad: An email to a church member
(09-12-2013 02:33 PM)Vosur Wrote:  Here's the uncensored version of that letter.

(09-12-2013 11:20 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  Hey fuckface, I know my text was a little nebulous, and I feel that I at least owe you a little more than a few, choppy sentences. You and Bro. Dickweed have really reached out to us, and for that, I can’t thank you enough. In fact, we’ve never been more welcomed to a church and by a church family as we were at [The Stripping Nun]. I have said it before, and I’ll say it again. I love [The Stripping Nun]. I love the people. I love the preaching. Everything about it is great. But, sometimes… sometimes, that’s not enough.

I don’t know if I want to be a “Christian” anymore, imbecile. And, don’t take that to mean that I’m turning my back on Christ and all that garbage. I’m not. My wife’s not. My family’s not. I still believe in the Bible and its inspired message. I still believe in Jesus the Christ, the Son of God. I know that He is the only way into heaven, and only through acknowledgement of His choice can one be saved.

I believe all this. Jess believes all this. This is what I’m teaching my children.

But, in that… I don’t want to be attached to “Christians” anymore. I don’t really want to have that term even attached to my identity anymore.

When all the crap went down at [The Stripping Nun], I thought I was fine to move on. Jess and I both thought we were fine. That’s why we came to [The Stripping Nun]. It had a profound effect on Jess, and she is just now realizing it… and in a sense, it had an effect on me. With me, though, I’ve long realized and grown contempt for the church and its followers.

About the time I got hired on with [the Devil], my brother (a pastor), got fired from his position as a Family Life Pastor in North Carolina. They fired him because he wasn't a “good fit”; not because of misconduct or heresy or committing a crime… no, those are understandable. But, it was because they just didn't want him anymore. He had been there for a couple of years, and he uprooted his family to move to North Carolina because they wanted him there. And, then they fired him without any prior warning or corrective actions. Just “bam”. Sorry, you’re done.

I know [The Stripping Nun] has no bearing on this situation; nor are any of you in any way related or in any way have caused either of these situations. If anything, you guys have been there as support. However, not everyone in Nazi Germany wanted to commit genocide, either, but that’s how we identify them.

I didn't mean to go all Goodwin's Law on you or this situation, but I need an extreme analogy to communicate the level of disgust, contempt, jadedness, and scorn I and my wife have for “Christians”. Time and time again, “Christians” have displayed a level of malice towards not only outsiders and non-believers but also fellow Christians. And sometimes it’s not even malice that they show… it’s just simple indifference.

An example: When I got laid off and almost ended up without a house, almost every Christian I knew told me that they were “praying for me”. Not that I don’t I believe in prayer, but I believe “praying for you” is a lazy get-out-of-jail-free card for Christians. It’s a “hey, yeah, I’m here to help. See, I’m praying!”

I received zero monetary help from Christians. My atheist friend sent me $250 to help keep my electricity on. My other atheist friend told me he wasn't going to let me lose my house. I have not met either of these people in person before, but they display a level of loyalty and love that I have never seen from a Christian.

What I've seen with Christians is, as aforementioned, malice. Greed. Hate-mongering. I don’t want my children around that. They are going to be exposed to enough of this throughout their lifetime, and I don’t want to shove hypocrisy in their faces with the “loving” church. Thank goodness my children are too young to understand why we stopped going to [The Drunken Bishop]… or why their Uncle Jared had to move back home… or why we don’t associate with other church people anymore.

I know you guys aren't immune to this either because of what happened a few years ago with the Calvinist/Arminian fallout. How and why would I ever want to expose my family to people who are supposedly the “body of Christ” yet we have 33,000 denominations of Christianity because we fight with each other so much?

It’s a conundrum, asshole. I believe as Christians do. In terms of labeling, I’m as much of a Christian as anyone at the church… but I don’t want that anymore. Fuck you, you were the only person that I told about my beliefs regarding salvation, origins, and eschatology because I knew you wouldn't pass judgment. Not everyone is like you, though. How do you think the other people at the church would respond if they knew that I believed in evolution? Sure, they would be nice… but I would be a pariah behind closed doors and through whispers. I would be talked about and labeled and be an outcast in a sense.

Why is that, though? Some great Christian men and theologians are Theistic Evolutionist and Evolutionary Creationist? Why?

Because Christians… heck… the religious… don’t amalgamate. They separate and vilify. Protestants and Catholics. Calvinist and Arminians. Pre-trib and Millennialist. Young Earth Creationist and Theistic Evolutionists. All of these identifiers. All of these separations. Instead of just one “Christian”.

So, I don’t want it anymore. I don’t want that term… that association… anything to do with it. Unfortunately, this might even include church.

So… thanks for all that you've done, jerkoff. I hope you understand. Keep in touch.

-Jeremy
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I laughed so hard at that.

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09-12-2013, 03:02 PM
RE: A Crossroad: An email to a church member
(09-12-2013 02:53 PM)cheapthrillseaker Wrote:  
(09-12-2013 02:33 PM)Vosur Wrote:  Here's the uncensored version of that letter.

[spoiler]I'm sorry, I couldn't resist the temptation. [Image: 3xNuwIr.gif]

I laughed so hard at that.


OMG just read it LMFAO
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I may have peed a little laughing so hard.

OMG

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09-12-2013, 05:16 PM
RE: A Crossroad: An email to a church member
It's a great letter KC, I really liked the part about your atheist friends lending a helping have when needed. If you've never mentioned the loving/accepting nature of atheists to him before, I'm really interested to hear how he responds. There aren't enough people like you on our side getting that message out there. And sometimes we don't do the best job of it ourselves Confused

It must have been really difficult just to type this letter. Sometimes that's all you need to do to get your emotions out, then you can decide whether or not to send.

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09-12-2013, 06:58 PM
RE: A Crossroad: An email to a church member
(09-12-2013 01:10 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  My faith is my faith. Can't shake it. It is what it is.

I know you'll disagree with this because....Calvinism. But, you can't know your own future.

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09-12-2013, 07:33 PM
RE: A Crossroad: An email to a church member
(09-12-2013 05:16 PM)Smercury44 Wrote:  It's a great letter KC, I really liked the part about your atheist friends lending a helping have when needed. If you've never mentioned the loving/accepting nature of atheists to him before, I'm really interested to hear how he responds. There aren't enough people like you on our side getting that message out there. And sometimes we don't do the best job of it ourselves Confused

It must have been really difficult just to type this letter. Sometimes that's all you need to do to get your emotions out, then you can decide whether or not to send.

Hug Emily


I agree - if/when you send the letter keep us informed on how it goes. Thumbsup

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