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10-12-2013, 03:51 PM
RE: A Crossroad: An email to a church member
(10-12-2013 03:31 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  My response:

Thanks for the reply.

I want to make it clear; again, that is wasn’t anything that you or anyone from [current church] did or said.

Also, please don’t take what I said about monetary giving personally. That wasn’t meant towards you or anyone else. After all, we are still very new at [current church] and have minimal relationships with people. It’s not expected that people share that type of concern. If was meant as a description of how the Christians in my life that I know and have invested in don’t do anything other than “pray for me”. The atheists that I know and have invested in provided me with actual results. They displayed actions; the Christians did not.

I do know that “church” isn’t the crux of the problem here… it’s people. People are the problem, and I have had a growing contempt for people in the last 6 or 7 years. While there are some really good people, you being one of them, most are hollow, selfish, and manipulative beings that only seek to further themselves at whatever expense necessary. People stopped affecting me a long time ago, but that doesn’t mean I don’t recognize how they act.

In that, I look especially hard at Christians. I live set apart. I can confidently say that. Even though I have contempt for people, I do not treat them differently. I treat people equally. I do not condemn. I do not judge.

And, really… it’s not hard to do. So, I say this because I know it can be done... and it can be done easily… because I practice it daily and it took basically nothing… minimal change to do this. However, this is not how the vast majority of the Christian body acts. They act the opposite. They are actively doing something more difficult in order to simply be more malicious. This is something I simply cannot condone anymore or be attached to.

When the “Christians” in my life are atheists, it causes you to examine things in a different light. It also causes you to question those that are supposedly living under the influence of Christ. I go where the evidence leads me, ****. And, the evidence is leading me away from Christians.

Like I said in my last email, the handful of Christians that display Christ with their actions are not enough to convince me that Christians truly have a Christ-centered mentality and not a self-centered one.

It flatters me that people have asked about me, but to be perfectly blunt with you, ****, in the three or four months that we’ve been out of church, you and Bro. *****’s texts last week were the first contact I had received from anyone at [current church] albeit a letter in the mail saying that we were missed.

I didn’t sign on the forum for 3 or 4 days a few months back and I had people calling my phone asking if I was all right… making sure I wasn’t sick or hurt. I hate to keep beating that horse, but the atheists I know display Christ so much better than most of the Christians I know.

As a caveat, please… and I don’t want to seem harsh here… but please don’t stage an “intervention”. Please don’t have people calling me or asking me stuff… or showing up at my door. I know you wouldn’t do that, but I just had to say it.

And yes, it’s perfectly fine to share with Bro. *****. I’m an open book when it comes to this type of stuff. Always have and always will be. If you want to share it with the class, I’m fine with that as well. There isn’t anything anyone can say that’s going to influence me or offend me. I’ve simply moved past that.

As for lunch, I would like that. It just might be hard to pin something down considering my schedule. Talk to you soon,

-Jeremy

So, how are you feeling so far about all this, KC?

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10-12-2013, 03:58 PM
RE: A Crossroad: An email to a church member
Great response! If your friend really cares about the direction of others who carry his faith, he needs to know how people who assume the title have used it vaingloriously.

It might help to not focus the overall issue to one specific group - in other words, you don't want to compare one church to one group of atheists. Rather than, "I didn’t sign on the forum for 3 or 4 days a few months back...", I think sticking with referring ambiguously to "atheist friends" ... "A few months back, I didn't check in with a few atheist friends for a few days and had people calling my phone asking if I was all right..." might work better. You don't want him (or anyone) thinking, "holy shit a bunch of atheists dragged one of us off and tickled his ass with a feather and now he's following them around like a puppy!!" I have no idea what I just wrote.

But other than that - wow - way cool. Thumbsup

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10-12-2013, 04:09 PM
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(10-12-2013 03:41 PM)Anjele Wrote:  It's good to see that you didn't just let them get away with saying they were worried about you...it's not like you were on some desert island somewhere and they couldn't find you to ask if you are okay. Someone's guilt (and perhaps their humanity) finally kicked in. When you live by the concept of 'God will provide" it means that you as a person don't have to. It's a handy excuse for non-action.

While I certainly don't think that you are dealing with a 'bad' person, you are dealing with a person (and persons) who live their lives hiding being the Christian label and think that gives them a pass.

Perhaps some social attachments will remain from the church, but can you ever go back there after this letter is read? How would you ever discern real concern from pity or guilt?

Just a question, not beating you up or anything.

It actually all pisses me off as I consider you a friend and I worried about you and your family, and we have never met. These people who do know you and QC and kidsC apparently were too busy to care or figured it was in God's hands. Cop out either way. I need to drive down there and have give them a sermon they won't soon forget. Angry

Thanks again, Angie. And yeah, I wasn't going to let him "get away" with that either. People ask about me to feign concern because it gives them Christian Points in Sunday School.

If people were truly concerned, I would have at least received a text.

And, I don't know what I'm going to do... if we do go back, I think I'll be able to identify actual concern and pity. I'm pretty intuitive and Jess is so even more than me. I swear, that girl can read anyone. It's a freaky, weird gift that she has.

(10-12-2013 03:51 PM)Cardinal Smurf Wrote:  So, how are you feeling so far about all this, KC?

I haven't decided yet. I really don't have any emotion right now. I'm simply responding. I'm sure something will come about later.

(10-12-2013 03:58 PM)kim Wrote:  Great response! If your friend really cares about the direction of others who carry his faith, he needs to know how people who assume the title have used it vaingloriously.

It might help to not focus the overall issue to one specific group - in other words, you don't want to compare one church to one group of atheists. Rather than, "I didn’t sign on the forum for 3 or 4 days a few months back...", I think sticking with referring ambiguously to "atheist friends" ... "A few months back, I didn't check in with a few atheist friends for a few days and had people calling my phone asking if I was all right..." might work better. You don't want him (or anyone) thinking, "holy shit a bunch of atheists dragged one of us off and tickled his ass with a feather and now he's following them around like a puppy!!" I have no idea what I just wrote.

But other than that - wow - way cool. Thumbsup

Thanks Kim... but ummm... lol I already sent it. So... too late Tongue

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10-12-2013, 04:12 PM (This post was last modified: 10-12-2013 05:09 PM by Stark Raving.)
RE: A Crossroad: An email to a church member
(10-12-2013 03:58 PM)kim Wrote:  You don't want him (or anyone) thinking, "holy shit a bunch of atheists dragged one of us off and tickled his ass with a feather and now he's following them around like a puppy!!" I have no idea what I just wrote.

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10-12-2013, 04:17 PM
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(10-12-2013 04:09 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  Thanks Kim... but ummm... lol I already sent it. So... too late Tongue

Well, now he's certain that you've been dragged off by a band of marauding atheists filling your head with delusional nonsense and having orgies and such.

Oh well, cat's out of that bag. Drinking Beverage

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10-12-2013, 04:23 PM
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(10-12-2013 04:12 PM)Stark Raving Wrote:  [Image: giphy.gif]

Sorry, thought he was asking for feedback. My three cents - no big whoop. Drinking Beverage Unless you're thinking about that feather thing... I swear, I don't know where that came from.

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10-12-2013, 04:37 PM
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(10-12-2013 04:09 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  ...
Thanks Kim... but ummm... lol I already sent it. So... too late Tongue

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10-12-2013, 05:11 PM
RE: A Crossroad: An email to a church member
(10-12-2013 04:23 PM)kim Wrote:  
(10-12-2013 04:12 PM)Stark Raving Wrote:  [Image: giphy.gif]

Sorry, thought he was asking for feedback. My three cents - no big whoop. Drinking Beverage Unless you're thinking about that feather thing... I swear, I don't know where that came from.

I,m sorry Kimmie....that was just plain laziness on my part. I edited my post for clarity. I gotta learn to JUST quote the part of the post I'm talking about.Confused

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10-12-2013, 05:33 PM (This post was last modified: 10-12-2013 05:36 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: A Crossroad: An email to a church member
(10-12-2013 03:58 PM)kim Wrote:  You don't want him (or anyone) thinking, "holy shit a bunch of atheists dragged one of us off and tickled his ass with a feather and now he's following them around like a puppy!!"

But that's precisely what happened. A feather called The Word. Most atheists I know just live The Word. They don't need no weekly Sunday classes to tell them "Don't be a dick". Girly going to church would be like Girly going to arithmetic class. Ain't no fucking point. ... It ain't fucking hard. Tongue

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10-12-2013, 05:35 PM
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(10-12-2013 05:33 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(10-12-2013 03:58 PM)kim Wrote:  You don't want him (or anyone) thinking, "holy shit a bunch of atheists dragged one of us off and tickled his ass with a feather and now he's following them around like a puppy!!"

But that's precisely what happened. A feather called The Word. Girly going to church would be like Girly going to arithmetic class. Ain't no fucking point. Most atheists I know just live The Word. They don't need no weekly Sunday classes to tell them "Don't be a dick".

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