A Deconstruction of the Moral Argument
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12-05-2014, 06:51 PM
RE: A Deconstruction of the Moral Argument
(12-05-2014 06:19 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  He fails miserably because.

If we are being honest here.

Even if none of the passages which you claim demonstrate God as being evil existed, you still would find fault with Him because of who He is. He is God. You are not.

You would still be accountable to Him. So no I am not convinced that you are so holy and righteous that you find God to fail to meet your standard of morality.

If the bible condoned and supported every thing you love doing and thinking and saying and it condoned and supported your views, then you would be first in line holding it up as some book that people should order their lives around.

Because it says you are a sinner and that you need God, you despise it.

This is as it should be.

It is true. Weeping If the bible condoned and supported everything I love doing and thinking and saying and it condoned and supported your views, I would proudly and publicly state that I thought it was a good thing and people should consider voluntarily accepting it as a moral guide. But we can't have everything.

I suppose I could live with the religious murder, genocide, sacrifice of animals, chopping of foreskins, rape, slavery, rape-slavery, subjugation of women, ethnic cleansing, murder for stealing land and property, betting with human lives and suffering, reverse psychology, capricious favoritism of some people and tribes and hatred of others for no fault of their own, ineptitude, incompetence, narcissism, illogic, planting of false scientific evidence while giving conflicting statements, torturing people forever for not figuring out the puzzle right, and general peak-a-boo playing douchebaggery in his interactions with his creation.

Yes, I suppose could forgive all that and be an apologetic like yourself. After all, I'm not god, so who am I to judge such obvious, de facto, self-evident failure.

No, you got me Jeremy... its the masturbation. He does not condone the evil I love. He tells me that because I spank it to shemale-on-female porn for both the best parts of straight and lesbian porn combined, I am a sinner and I need God, and I despise him for it.

On the merits of your arguments it all makes sense now! Worship Slaves

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12-05-2014, 06:53 PM
RE: A Deconstruction of the Moral Argument
(12-05-2014 06:31 PM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  
(12-05-2014 06:19 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  He fails miserably because He does not condone the evil you love.

If we are being honest here.

Even if none of the passages which you claim demonstrate God as being evil existed, you still would find fault with Him because of who He is. He is God. You are not.

You would still be accountable to Him. So no I am not convinced that you are so holy and righteous that you find God to fail to meet your standard of morality.

If the bible condoned and supported every thing you love doing and thinking and saying and it condoned and supported your views, then you would be first in line holding it up as some book that people should order their lives around.

Because it says you are a sinner and that you need God, you despise it.

This is as it should be.

I am noticing a disturbing trend where you say we don't understand your argument because we are evil atheists.

I am simply stating it is not about arguments Mr. Tadlock.

Arguments do not cause a man to kneel in worship. A man's knees must bend because he chooses to bend them. Because he wants to bend them.
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12-05-2014, 06:59 PM
RE: A Deconstruction of the Moral Argument
(12-05-2014 06:51 PM)djhall Wrote:  
(12-05-2014 06:19 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  He fails miserably because.

If we are being honest here.

Even if none of the passages which you claim demonstrate God as being evil existed, you still would find fault with Him because of who He is. He is God. You are not.

You would still be accountable to Him. So no I am not convinced that you are so holy and righteous that you find God to fail to meet your standard of morality.

If the bible condoned and supported every thing you love doing and thinking and saying and it condoned and supported your views, then you would be first in line holding it up as some book that people should order their lives around.

Because it says you are a sinner and that you need God, you despise it.

This is as it should be.

It is true. Weeping If the bible condoned and supported everything I love doing and thinking and saying and it condoned and supported your views, I would proudly and publicly state that I thought it was a good thing and people should consider voluntarily accepting it as a moral guide. But we can't have everything.

I suppose I could live with the religious murder, genocide, sacrifice of animals, chopping of foreskins, rape, slavery, rape-slavery, subjugation of women, ethnic cleansing, murder for stealing land and property, betting with human lives and suffering, reverse psychology, capricious favoritism of some people and tribes and hatred of others for no fault of their own, ineptitude, incompetence, narcissism, illogic, planting of false scientific evidence while giving conflicting statements, torturing people forever for not figuring out the puzzle right, and general peak-a-boo playing douchebaggery in his interactions with his creation.

Yes, I suppose could forgive all that and be an apologetic like yourself. After all, I'm not god, so who am I to judge such obvious, de facto, self-evident failure.

No, you got me Jeremy... its the masturbation. He does not condone the evil I love. He tells me that because I spank it to shemale-on-female porn for both the best parts of straight and lesbian porn combined, I am a sinner and I need God, and I despise him for it.

On the merits of your arguments it all makes sense now! Worship Slaves

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12-05-2014, 07:00 PM
RE: A Deconstruction of the Moral Argument
(12-05-2014 06:48 PM)pablo628 Wrote:  
(12-05-2014 06:19 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  He fails miserably because He does not condone the evil you love.

If we are being honest here.

Even if none of the passages which you claim demonstrate God as being evil existed, you still would find fault with Him because of who He is. He is God. You are not.

You would still be accountable to Him. So no I am not convinced that you are so holy and righteous that you find God to fail to meet your standard of morality.

If the bible condoned and supported every thing you love doing and thinking and saying and it condoned and supported your views, then you would be first in line holding it up as some book that people should order their lives around.

Because it says you are a sinner and that you need God, you despise it.

This is as it should be.

If the bible, and what you say about god being our moral guide is true, then why have us mere humans stopped doing some of the things that were deemed to be moral in the book?
Did your god change its mind about slavery? Any god worth its salt would never change its mind because it would be an admission of being wrong. Humans don't own slaves anymore so we must have come up with that idea on our own without, or in spite of spookies holy word. You of course know that an all knowing, all seeing entity could never ever be wrong about anything.

Go sit down, think about what you're saying and who you're saying it to and realize you're wrong or at the very least brainwashed.
Don't be too hard on yourself, lots of people have fallen for the same fairy tales, just be happy you found out in time to change your way of thinking before it's too late to enjoy your life while you're still alive.

You are quite ignorant as to what the word "slavery" even means.

You are the one that needs to sit down and do some homework.Drinking Beverage
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12-05-2014, 07:10 PM
RE: A Deconstruction of the Moral Argument
(12-05-2014 07:00 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(12-05-2014 06:48 PM)pablo628 Wrote:  If the bible, and what you say about god being our moral guide is true, then why have us mere humans stopped doing some of the things that were deemed to be moral in the book?
Did your god change its mind about slavery? Any god worth its salt would never change its mind because it would be an admission of being wrong. Humans don't own slaves anymore so we must have come up with that idea on our own without, or in spite of spookies holy word. You of course know that an all knowing, all seeing entity could never ever be wrong about anything.

Go sit down, think about what you're saying and who you're saying it to and realize you're wrong or at the very least brainwashed.
Don't be too hard on yourself, lots of people have fallen for the same fairy tales, just be happy you found out in time to change your way of thinking before it's too late to enjoy your life while you're still alive.

You are quite ignorant as to what the word "slavery" even means.

You are the one that needs to sit down and do some homework.Drinking Beverage

So you don't believe the book is true, you are more prone to interpreting what it says to fit your ideas?
I'd ask you to enlighten me but I really think I know what it means and, you're getting kinda boring.
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12-05-2014, 07:13 PM
RE: A Deconstruction of the Moral Argument
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12-05-2014, 07:14 PM
RE: A Deconstruction of the Moral Argument
(12-05-2014 07:10 PM)pablo628 Wrote:  
(12-05-2014 07:00 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  You are quite ignorant as to what the word "slavery" even means.

You are the one that needs to sit down and do some homework.Drinking Beverage

So you don't believe the book is true, you are more prone to interpreting what it says to fit your ideas?
I'd ask you to enlighten me but I really think I know what it means and, you're getting kinda boring.

Great!

And guess what?

Even if the Bible made no mention of slavery, you would still find fault with it.

You would still find a reason why it is bunk, garbage, trash, ridiculous, fairy tale, insanity, etc. etc.

You would still think it stupid for saying you were a sinner who is in need of a Saviour.
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12-05-2014, 07:21 PM (This post was last modified: 12-05-2014 07:26 PM by djhall.)
RE: A Deconstruction of the Moral Argument
Well, at least we know where Jeremy gets his talking points while being incapable of thinking for himself:





The insanity is that anyone can stand there and give this speech on the topic while still claiming their god is omnipotent and omniscient. Hey, these guys were ahead of their time on the compassion front and their human rights for the times. Aside from the irony of the cultural relativism, uh, omniscient and omnipotent and all loving, remember... "less than ideal" solutions are incompatible with that claim. That is what mere humans do when trying to be better without the power of gods.

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12-05-2014, 07:21 PM
RE: A Deconstruction of the Moral Argument
(12-05-2014 07:14 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(12-05-2014 07:10 PM)pablo628 Wrote:  So you don't believe the book is true, you are more prone to interpreting what it says to fit your ideas?
I'd ask you to enlighten me but I really think I know what it means and, you're getting kinda boring.

Great!

And guess what?

Even if the Bible made no mention of slavery, you would still find fault with it.

You would still find a reason why it is bunk, garbage, trash, ridiculous, fairy tale, insanity, etc. etc.

You would still think it stupid for saying you were a sinner who is in need of a Saviour.

Right, because it's about as compelling as your "arguments" are, including your bullshit about "everyone being sinners" deserving hell.

When actually, you're ignoring the many times people have informed you they reasoned their way out of those beliefs, so your scream-crying at them that "THEY A SINNA AND NEEDA JESUS!" is an exercise in futility.

Do I need to write out some simple instructions for what you can do with your bible?

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12-05-2014, 07:21 PM
RE: A Deconstruction of the Moral Argument
(12-05-2014 06:53 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(12-05-2014 06:31 PM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  I am noticing a disturbing trend where you say we don't understand your argument because we are evil atheists.

I am simply stating it is not about arguments Mr. Tadlock.

Arguments do not cause a man to kneel in worship. A man's knees must bend because he chooses to bend them. Because he wants to bend them.

Why are you here then?
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