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19-06-2013, 03:27 PM
RE: A Little Letter to the Lord
(19-06-2013 02:53 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(19-06-2013 01:47 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  That is an interesting observation. If the Bible had never been cobbled together would civilization had missed out on any worthwhile teachings or information?

Hammurabi's code was already around circa 2250 BC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Hammurabi
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?titl...pdf&page=1

So is there anything in the Bible that was not known or could be used in practical everyday living that wasn't obvious before? (Disregarding all supernatural claims that I find useless).

Off the cuff I say no.

Dietary references in the Bible come from pevious Jewish law right?

Rules on sexual misadventures (or adventures) certainly preceded the Bible. Incest was known to cause birth defects (Oedipus was written in the 5th century BC) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest

The Bible doesn't condemn slavery so that's not even a consideration.

There is no mediicne, math or physics taught, it gets all of it's cosmology wrong.

I can't think of anything in the Bible that we could not have done without.

Can anyone think of anything practical we have the Bible to thank for?

Are you shitting me ? (As my brother would say Tongue )
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Fashion advice.
What to wear, and what to do with stuff when you can't "get the spot out".
Some people's kids. I just don't know what this world is coming to.
"What was valuable in the Bible". Really. What a stupid question.
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Leviticus 13:47-58
Leviticus 19:19, Deuteronomy 22:11
Deuteronomy 22:5
Deuteronomy 22:12
Job 40:10
Psalms 102:26, Isaiah 50:9, Isaiah 51:8
Ezekiel 16:9-14
Matthew 9:16, Mark 2:21, Luke 5:36
Mark 1:6
John 19:23
Acts 16:14
Acts 20:33
Revelation 18:11-12
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19-06-2013, 03:31 PM
RE: A Little Letter to the Lord
I love that Mormon underwear. Super sexy.


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19-06-2013, 07:38 PM
RE: A Little Letter to the Lord
(19-06-2013 01:47 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  
(19-06-2013 12:57 PM)kim Wrote:  This entire bible crap was never meant to be anything more than a message in a bottle, tossed into an ocean of tales. None of this information is even necessary and maybe only a few bits of it never really was. Shy

That is an interesting observation. If the Bible had never been cobbled together would civilization had missed out on any worthwhile teachings or information?

Hammurabi's code was already around circa 2250 BC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Hammurabi
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?titl...pdf&page=1

So is there anything in the Bible that was not known or could be used in practical everyday living that wasn't obvious before? (Disregarding all supernatural claims that I find useless).

Off the cuff I say no.

Dietary references in the Bible come from pevious Jewish law right?

Rules on sexual misadventures (or adventures) certainly preceded the Bible. Incest was known to cause birth defects (Oedipus was written in the 5th century BC) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest

The Bible doesn't condemn slavery so that's not even a consideration.

There is no mediicne, math or physics taught, it gets all of it's cosmology wrong.

I can't think of anything in the Bible that we could not have done without.

Can anyone think of anything practical we have the Bible to thank for?

"Can anyone think of anything practical we have the Bible to thank for?"

Depends who "we" are. If you're a priest or a king, perhaps 0.01% of the people, the bible's very useful...for controlling the plebs. That was, after all, why it was written.

God didn’t write it, nor did bona-fide historians, or people discussing what they thought was the truth, or people who genuinely cared about their readers. It was scrawled by power hungry priests and propagandists; spin-doctors asserting their own authority.

They had a similar agenda to people who currently work in advertising agencies, and their writings share many of the features of an advertising campaign. The Bible was written to profit certain groups; it contains little of true value, and its authors tried to appeal to the emotions and dreams of the masses to push a product. It was written for the hoi polloi, the gullible gatherings, the naive people, the consumers; those who are easily impressed by promises and frightened by threats. It was thought up to promote power over them and empty their pockets. It worked, and this is the main reason it’s survived the passage of time. ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TudX_15VCA4 ).

All talk about spirituality, morals and ethics in the bible is just floss designed to disguise the above.

Promoting biblical propaganda is an old trick. Priests and preachers want the people dreaming and scheming about the after-life, as that gives them power.
Preaching the bible requires no real resources to get results. Stories of gods, miracles, prophets, promises of heaven and threats of hell require nothing more than confidence and an active imagination to advertise.

The Bible is a product of the petty politics of power-hungry people. The very core of Christianity has no legitimate authority. It’s nothing more than a mountain of superstitious nonsense.
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19-06-2013, 08:13 PM
RE: A Little Letter to the Lord
(19-06-2013 07:38 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  
(19-06-2013 01:47 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  That is an interesting observation. If the Bible had never been cobbled together would civilization had missed out on any worthwhile teachings or information?

Hammurabi's code was already around circa 2250 BC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Hammurabi
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?titl...pdf&page=1

So is there anything in the Bible that was not known or could be used in practical everyday living that wasn't obvious before? (Disregarding all supernatural claims that I find useless).

Off the cuff I say no.

Dietary references in the Bible come from pevious Jewish law right?

Rules on sexual misadventures (or adventures) certainly preceded the Bible. Incest was known to cause birth defects (Oedipus was written in the 5th century BC) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest

The Bible doesn't condemn slavery so that's not even a consideration.

There is no mediicne, math or physics taught, it gets all of it's cosmology wrong.

I can't think of anything in the Bible that we could not have done without.

Can anyone think of anything practical we have the Bible to thank for?

"Can anyone think of anything practical we have the Bible to thank for?"

Depends who "we" are. If you're a priest or a king, perhaps 0.01% of the people, the bible's very useful...for controlling the plebs. That was, after all, why it was written.

God didn’t write it, nor did bona-fide historians, or people discussing what they thought was the truth, or people who genuinely cared about their readers. It was scrawled by power hungry priests and propagandists; spin-doctors asserting their own authority.

They had a similar agenda to people who currently work in advertising agencies, and their writings share many of the features of an advertising campaign. The Bible was written to profit certain groups; it contains little of true value, and its authors tried to appeal to the emotions and dreams of the masses to push a product. It was written for the hoi polloi, the gullible gatherings, the naive people, the consumers; those who are easily impressed by promises and frightened by threats. It was thought up to promote power over them and empty their pockets. It worked, and this is the main reason it’s survived the passage of time. ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TudX_15VCA4 ).

All talk about spirituality, morals and ethics in the bible is just floss designed to disguise the above.

Promoting biblical propaganda is an old trick. Priests and preachers want the people dreaming and scheming about the after-life, as that gives them power.
Preaching the bible requires no real resources to get results. Stories of gods, miracles, prophets, promises of heaven and threats of hell require nothing more than confidence and an active imagination to advertise.

The Bible is a product of the petty politics of power-hungry people. The very core of Christianity has no legitimate authority. It’s nothing more than a mountain of superstitious nonsense.

I'm writing long thing about the roles of priests in the OT, and how "sacrifice" arose in human cultures. The priests took 10% of all/any sacrificed meat for themselves, (not fish or birds). It really had almost nothing to do with the god(s). It was about MEALS, and who killed the animals for human food. Life was considered sacred. Originally it was justified by the idea that if humans wanted to eat meat, they needed to recognize they were taking a life. And who could do that ? Only a priest. Amazing what it became.

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20-06-2013, 04:33 AM
RE: A Little Letter to the Lord
(19-06-2013 10:03 AM)cufflink Wrote:  Dear Sir or Madam:

First of all, please excuse me for greeting you in that impersonal way, but there’s so much disagreement about your name (is it Yahweh? Jehovah? Jesus? Allah? Brahma? Zeus? Marduk? El? Tiamat? . . . ), I didn’t know what else to say. I guess I could have gone with “Dear Lord,” but that sounds like what some people blurt out when they’re unpleasantly surprised. (“Dear Lord! What’s that smell?”)

I should also apologize for bothering you with a letter, since there’s really no point: you’re omniscient, so you already know what’s in my head. All I have to do is think my message and you’ve got it. But writing helps me organize my thoughts, so I hope you’ll bear with me if I go the old-fashioned route. Thanks.

Oh, by the way, since you’re omniscient, it’s obviously impossible for anyone to tell you things you’re not already aware of, so I really should preface each statement with, “As you know, . . .” But that would get old fast, so please assume every sentence I write begins that way, even if I don’t spell it out, OK?

I also need to confess I seriously doubt this letter will get to you. It’s not that I think it’ll get stuck on some subordinate angel’s desk or be intercepted by you-know-who. It’s that I don’t think there’s a “you” to receive it. I’m 99.9999% sure you don’t exist. But on the 0.0001% chance you do, I thought I’d give it a shot. Nothing to lose, right?

So here goes.

I’m writing to ask a favor.

I’m sure you’re aware . . . OK, I know you’re aware . . . that you are, to put it mildly, a controversial figure. No one seems to agree on the exact number of religions in the world, but I’ve seen estimates as high as 4,200. And they all have different ideas about you.

I guess that would be OK—after all, variety is the spice of life—if it weren’t for the fact that those different ideas have nasty consequences. I’m not talking about debates on Internet forums (although those can get pretty nasty). I’m talking about, well, people killing and maiming each other because of you—or rather, because of their different opinions about you.

Do you know how many people have died in religious conflicts? (Of course you do—it was just a figure of speech. Sorry.) I mean, there was the Roman persecution of the Christians, and the Christian persecution of the Jews, and the Muslim Wars of Conquest, and the Crusades, and the Thirty Years’ War, and the French Wars of Religion, and the Nigerian Civil War, and the Lebanese Civil War . . . Christians fighting Jews, Muslims fighting Jews and Christians and Hindus, Hindus fighting Buddhists, Catholics fighting Protestants, Sunnis fighting Shiites . . . We’re talking millions and millions of corpses here, Sir (or Madam).

And don’t get me started on the claims religions make about what rules you gave us—you know, the rules we have to obey or you’ll get really, really angry? They could fill books. I don’t have to tell you what some of your devotees do to people they think are following the wrong rules. It can get pretty ugly.

So I’m thinking: Wouldn’t it be great if somehow we found out definitively which religion was correct? Seems to me it would solve a lot of problems. No more “We’ve got the truth and you don’t and you’d better believe what we do or else.” I think it might cut down considerably on the mayhem, don’t you? And since you love us and want the best for us (or so I’ve heard), you’ve got to see the good in that. Am I right?

So you can probably see where I’m going with this. (Whoops. I’m doing it again. Of course you can see where I’m going with this. You can see everything. Darn.)

Couldn’t you please end the arguments and the wars and the slaughter and the maiming, and just tell us what we need to know? Tell us which is the One True Religion?

I mean, you’re up in heaven, or on the planet Kolob, or wherever you hang out, and you’re watching all this horrible stuff going down, all this violence and hatred coming from religious differences. No offense, but isn’t it kind of dickish to sit there silently and let the shit continue? (Sorry for the sketchy language. Got carried away there.)

I know you can find a way to tell us and let us know it’s really you. C’mon, you’re not just omniscient, you’re omnipotent, for godsake! You can do anything! You’ve talked directly to us humans in the past, or so the popular religions say; you can do it again! You could update your whirlwind or burning-bush appearances with state-of-the-art special effects. Or you could interrupt every TV and radio broadcast around the globe simultaneously with a thundering Public Service Announcement. (Just don’t do it while the World Cup is on, or the finals of Dancing With the Stars; it might piss people off.) You could email or text everyone alive from your heavenly account. Or hey, how’s this? How about a message in the sky, written in mile-high script in every language in the world? That would be impressive! I know you can figure it out. And all you’d need to say is, “Hello, everyone. This is God (or whatever name you prefer). Just wanted to let you all know that the _______ are right.” Fill in the blank as you see fit: Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Jews, Jains, Sikhs, Zoroastrians, Mormons, Wiccans, Scientologists, Rastafarians, Pastafarians, . . . whatever. Or you could tell us we’re all idiots and none of us is right! But . . . just tell us. Please.

That wouldn’t be so hard, would it?

Thanks for your consideration. I’ll be waiting patiently for your reply.

But I won’t hold my breath.

Yours sincerely,

cuff
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20-06-2013, 10:58 AM
RE: A Little Letter to the Lord
(19-06-2013 01:27 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  That was brilliant! Divinely (ahem) inspired! A 21st century Mark Twain homage!

Thanks, FC! Smile

That was my 1,000th post, and I wanted to do something a little different to mark the milestone. Not sure it was up to Mark Twain level, but I had fun writing it.

Quote:Have you a response yet? Just wondering.

Nothing yet, but it's only been a day. I'm sure (s)he's busy. I'll let you know when I get an answer. (Don't wait up.) Wink

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