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08-04-2013, 08:09 PM
RE: A New Crop Of Bigots
Oh haven't you herd Ato?
Satan is tempting people to indulge in homosexuality. Thus why the gays are abominations because they actively CHOOSE to go against god and accept Satan's temptations into their way of life.

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08-04-2013, 08:27 PM (This post was last modified: 08-04-2013 08:47 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: A New Crop Of Bigots
(08-04-2013 07:53 PM)Atothetheist Wrote:  It's also bullshit how they say kids won't be happy, or the parenting won't be optimal if you are in a same-sex relationship. Now, I know I am going to use anecdotal evidence, but when I was in the orphanage, I couldn't wait to get adopted. I didn't care at all if it was by a mom or a dad, by a mom or a mom, or by two dads, or even only one of the two genders. All I wanted was somebody who loves me, and cares about me to take care of me.
And that, Atothetheist, is one of the best arguments ever made for it. Thumbsup

(08-04-2013 07:53 PM)Atothetheist Wrote:  This all hints at ignorant men (and I stress men) ...
Proper blame. Thumbsup ... The Matriarchy is inevitable, brother, I've seen it, I live it, I like it. ... Ain't no place for testosterone-dominance in managing a contemporary society, just amounts to a pissing contest over who has the bigger dick. Not only irrelevant, ineffectual and feckless, but counterproductive, ... I mean shit there's bills piling up got to be paid and shit while we're wasting time measuring the lengths of our dicks.

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08-04-2013, 08:36 PM
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(08-04-2013 08:27 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(08-04-2013 07:53 PM)Atothetheist Wrote:  It's also bullshit how they say kids won't be happy, or the parenting won't be optimal if you are in a same-sex relationship. Now, I know I am going to use anecdotal evidence, but when I was in the orphanage, I couldn't wait to get adopted. I didn't care at all if it was by a mom or a dad, by a mom or a mom, or by two dads, or even only one of the two genders. All I wanted was somebody who loves me, and cares about me to take care of me.

And that, Atothetheist, is one of the best arguments ever made for it. Thumbsup

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08-04-2013, 08:55 PM
RE: A New Crop Of Bigots
(08-04-2013 08:36 PM)Logisch Wrote:  
(08-04-2013 08:27 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  And that, Atothetheist, is one of the best arguments ever made for it. Thumbsup

There's a reason it's poked fun at by calling it a skydaddy.

'Cept A^2 was just looking for a real mommy/daddy and/or daddy/mommy. I can appreciate why dude don't give a shit about a skydaddy, he's already faced and overcome more immediate pressing concerns.

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09-04-2013, 01:19 AM (This post was last modified: 09-04-2013 02:33 AM by Vera.)
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(08-04-2013 06:49 PM)Dom Wrote:  Ah, firstly people confuse hormonal attraction with love. If that's the case, the card house will come tumbling down.

Changes - very important for growth. A good couple will allow for the changes each will undoubtedly go through. The idea of a partnership is to support one another - no matter what the changes may be.

Another fallacy is that a lot of people think that because they are married, they have to do everything together and like all the same things. That'll never happen, lol. My husband and I did have some interests in common, but most of them we did not share. We both thought it fun to tell each other about our endeavors. We'd give each other input and help each other along. Having different interests brought a lot of stimulation to the relationship. We each grew and evolved over the years, and the marriage got better and better.

If you think you have to change the other person, you're already with the wrong person, or you have the wrong attitude.

Frankly, I'm not even sure how much of what I said I actually thought, I was mostly blabbering and theorising at 3am. Lesson learnt - stop posting after 1.30am. So yeah, disregard most of what I was saying.

Seriously, though. Yeah, I know you can't change anyone and you shouldn't try (hell, people - even just friends, or mere acquaintances (!) - think they have not only the right, but the obligation to tell me what's "wrong" with me and how I should change. Annoys me to no end).

Actually, I agree with you're saying. I guess all I was saying is that we should we appreciate what we have at the moment, but never accept for a fact it's going to last forever. Or that anyone owes us anything.

EDIT: Okay, I guess I did have something more to say. I don't think it's as easy as saying "if it didn't work out it wasn't love but lust". People may have genuine, true love for each and it may still end one day, due to so many reasons.

And there are some changes where even "good couples" cannot follow each other. Life takes you in different directions and sometimes the other just can't follow. I know I've changed a lot in the last ten years for example, so if I'd been with someone during those years, I couldn't expect him to go through the same, or at least compatible changes. Or that I'd mirror his changes. And religion/atheism is just one example.

I just don't think there is a single recipe that works for all couples and that if it has worked in one case, it will work in all other case as well. Or that it's as simple as saying a good couple can overcome everything and go through life and all it throws their way together. Sometimes they can, sometimes they cannot. That doesn't make those who can't less of a good couple or their love, while it was still there, any less true.

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09-04-2013, 06:44 AM
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(09-04-2013 01:19 AM)Vera Wrote:  I know I've changed a lot in the last ten years for example, so if I'd been with someone during those years, I couldn't expect him to go through the same, or at least compatible changes. Or that I'd mirror his changes. And religion/atheism is just one example.

Ah, that is just the point. It shouldn't have any impact on the relationship. Both hubby and I changed hugely over 26 years. Hugely. And not in the same direction at all. Although there were a couple of new things we both embraced, there were numerous others the other person couldn't care less about.

Except that it was something the other person wanted/enjoyed/ came to see as important, and therefor the relationship would integrate it for that person and support it.

If you can't grow in different directions, you can't grow much at all. For instance, I changed from a "nesting mode" where I enjoyed changing our surroundings into something that was functional, attractive and comfortable to going back into business and travelling like crazy. He went from being a computer nerd to reading books and enjoying nature and animals. He didn't want to travel at all and never came with me, he had enough when he was in the military. He wanted roots. I didn't share the interest in the same type books. Did that throw a wrench in things? Quite the opposite, I would come home from trips and share all my adventures, and he would show me the new ducklings and whatnot all outside or discuss the premise of some book he read. It was a mutually grounding and interesting experience, not to mention that we never ran out of stuff to talk about.

It was like each would experience twice the growth, our own and each others. It was stimulating and I miss it.

That said, would I remarry? Nope. At this time I am enjoying being single and living a rather erratic life style. I guess I am in an adjustment phase, adjusting to his absence and finding parts of myself that I didn't know existed. At this time, another person in my life would just be disruptive.

So there are times when it feels right to start a relationship and times when it doesn't. And that is why choice is so important. Getting married just because you think you should sucks and just brings grief.

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09-04-2013, 07:08 AM
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Well, I was talking about more fundamental changes; the way I saw the world, basically and this is not something that the other can always embrace.

I get what you are saying, Dom, and I agree. But I was just saying that it works with some couples and it doesn't with others. Doesn't make one couple better than the other, or their love truer or deeper. Basically, I guess what I'm trying to say, is that the fact that a love ends, doesn't make it inferior (not that you were saying such a thing Smile ) and that what works for some, doesn't for others.

I'm also extremely uncomfortable talking about stuff like this (feelings and shit), so I will now sneak out inconspicuously, pretending I was never here.

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09-04-2013, 07:10 AM
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You're uncomfortable about talking about feelings and shit, yet you translate erotic novels for a living??
How the fuck..

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09-04-2013, 07:17 AM
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(09-04-2013 07:10 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  You're uncomfortable about talking about feelings and shit, yet you translate erotic novels for a living??
How the fuck..
What has porn got to do with feelings? Consider

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09-04-2013, 07:50 AM
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Not porn, erotic novels, are they not all about feelings and how the morning dew on his glistening member brings sweet tears of love and affection to her soft blue eyes?

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