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23-09-2014, 02:48 PM
RE: A Parable on the Efficacy of Prayer...
(23-09-2014 02:05 PM)Nurse Wrote:  I think there should have been more groups in the study. Group 4 - tell them they are being prayed for, but no actual prayers. Group 5, tell them they are not being prayed for, but in actuality pray for them.
Edit: Group 6 - tell them they are not being prayed for, and no prayers.

Group 7: Tell them they are being prayed for, but pray for their deaths.

Group 8: Tell them no prayers, but pray for their deaths.

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23-09-2014, 02:51 PM
RE: A Parable on the Efficacy of Prayer...
(23-09-2014 02:05 PM)Nurse Wrote:  I think there should have been more groups in the study. Group 4 - tell them they are being prayed for, but no actual prayers. Group 5, tell them they are not being prayed for, but in actuality pray for them.
Edit: Group 6 - tell them they are not being prayed for, and no prayers.

That's a great idea. It would be interesting to see the new results.

But, I digress, there's really no such thing as 'unanswered prayers,' if one is a believer. The loop hole being...(and I have Christian friends who tout this, and I even did once upon a time...) ''well, when you hear nothing, that just means that God has a better plan than what you are praying for.''

So, no matter the results...those 'praying' would find a loop hole.

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23-09-2014, 02:56 PM
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I think statistical evidence is already out there, just look at insurance tables. Is there a Christian bonus because they don't get in car wrecks or have cancer?

Insurance companies would love to insure a group that has statistically less instances of accidents, or diseases. They could make a mint charging them the same rate as the rest of us poor godless schmucks.

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23-09-2014, 02:59 PM
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(23-09-2014 02:51 PM)Deidre32 Wrote:  
(23-09-2014 02:05 PM)Nurse Wrote:  I think there should have been more groups in the study. Group 4 - tell them they are being prayed for, but no actual prayers. Group 5, tell them they are not being prayed for, but in actuality pray for them.
Edit: Group 6 - tell them they are not being prayed for, and no prayers.

That's a great idea. It would be interesting to see the new results.

But, I digress, there's really no such thing as 'unanswered prayers,' if one is a believer. The loop hole being...(and I have Christian friends who tout this, and I even did once upon a time...) ''well, when you hear nothing, that just means that God has a better plan than what you are praying for.''

So, no matter the results...those 'praying' would find a loop hole.

Dodgy

Yes this and that stupid country song "Thank God for unanswered prayers" Dodgy

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23-09-2014, 03:07 PM
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(23-09-2014 02:59 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  
(23-09-2014 02:51 PM)Deidre32 Wrote:  That's a great idea. It would be interesting to see the new results.

But, I digress, there's really no such thing as 'unanswered prayers,' if one is a believer. The loop hole being...(and I have Christian friends who tout this, and I even did once upon a time...) ''well, when you hear nothing, that just means that God has a better plan than what you are praying for.''

So, no matter the results...those 'praying' would find a loop hole.

Dodgy

Yes this and that stupid country song "Thank God for unanswered prayers" Dodgy

I harbor so much hate for that song.

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23-09-2014, 03:14 PM
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(23-09-2014 03:07 PM)Nurse Wrote:  
(23-09-2014 02:59 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  Yes this and that stupid country song "Thank God for unanswered prayers" Dodgy

I harbor so much hate for that song.

In full agreement for the profound dislike of this song. I had a work associate say, in regards to the biblical slaughter of children, "it's for their own good. They go to heaven." That statement and this song bring up similar emotions in me. Sigh.... at least zealots are a dieing breed sans some global catastrophe.
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23-09-2014, 03:42 PM
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(23-09-2014 02:51 PM)Deidre32 Wrote:  
(23-09-2014 02:05 PM)Nurse Wrote:  I think there should have been more groups in the study. Group 4 - tell them they are being prayed for, but no actual prayers. Group 5, tell them they are not being prayed for, but in actuality pray for them.
Edit: Group 6 - tell them they are not being prayed for, and no prayers.

That's a great idea. It would be interesting to see the new results.

But, I digress, there's really no such thing as 'unanswered prayers,' if one is a believer. The loop hole being...(and I have Christian friends who tout this, and I even did once upon a time...) ''well, when you hear nothing, that just means that God has a better plan than what you are praying for.''

So, no matter the results...those 'praying' would find a loop hole.

Dodgy

Another way they like to put it is "God answers all prayers, but sometimes (I would say most of the time) the answer is no."

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23-09-2014, 03:48 PM
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Actually, heart surgery patients were found to fare less well, when prayed for :
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/200...133554.htm
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23-09-2014, 03:50 PM
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(23-09-2014 03:48 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Actually, heart surgery patients were found to fare less well, when prayed for :
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/200...133554.htm
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Ya, this was attributed to "performance anxiety".
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23-09-2014, 05:34 PM
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(23-09-2014 03:50 PM)Saitac Wrote:  
(23-09-2014 03:48 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Actually, heart surgery patients were found to fare less well, when prayed for :
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/200...133554.htm
(When I have "the big one", please don't pray for me). Tongue

Ya, this was attributed to "performance anxiety".

I've never really understood "performance anxiety", but then I'm not a guy.

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