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24-07-2014, 09:27 PM (This post was last modified: 25-07-2014 01:29 AM by HU.Junyuan.)
A Pew Research poll about what Chinese think on 9 subjects
What will the audience's response be ? "I thought so" or "that's weird".

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25-07-2014, 01:57 AM
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(24-07-2014 09:27 PM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  What will the audience's response be ? "I thought so" or "that's weird".

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I found the figures relating to alcoholism as a non moral issue surprising.Undecided
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25-07-2014, 08:33 AM
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More reasons to hate China.
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25-07-2014, 07:37 PM
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(25-07-2014 01:57 AM)Mr Woof Wrote:  I found the figures relating to alcoholism as a non moral issue surprising.Undecided

Living in China wasn't relatively well off until the mid-1990s. So for the older generations, perhaps there has been enough time and resources for drinking to become a major moral problem. China has no drinking age limit, so perhaps this adds less incentive for the younger generation to get addicted to alcohol.

I first tasted alcohol beverage when I was 6. My experience with distilled spirit and cigarette in that same year turned out to be so bad that now I neither drink nor smoke.

Alcoholism is more of a physical and mental health issue to me rather than a moral problem. Denouncing it immoral sometimes adds flavor to it.

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25-07-2014, 07:47 PM
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Interesting and not too surprising.

When I see stuff like this I often wonder about the questions and how neutral they are.

Questions below on the same subject would yield different result, I reckon:

1) If a family member was suffering because of ... ... would you condemn them?

2) Is ... ... a burden on society?

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25-07-2014, 07:54 PM
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(25-07-2014 07:47 PM)DLJ Wrote:  Interesting and not too surprising.

When I see stuff like this I often wonder about the questions and how neutral they are.

Questions below on the same subject would yield different result, I reckon:

1) If a family member was suffering because of ... ... would you condemn them?

2) Is ... ... a burden on society?

The way the asked the question is boring yet professional: Do you think ____ is morally acceptable or not, or not a moral issue ?

Started to wonder why the results doesn't add up to 100%

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25-07-2014, 09:25 PM
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(25-07-2014 07:54 PM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  ...
The way they asked the question is boring yet professional: Do you think ____ is morally acceptable or not, or not a moral issue ?
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Indeed. I'm saying it's open to interpretation...

Morally acceptable for yourself or morally acceptable for everyone else?

I keep coming across this attitude e.g. it's OK for me to do xxxx (drugs / porn / anything) because I am mature enough to handle it but other people? They are not.

It's the whole 'censorship' argument again.

This has been on my mind because of something that's happening in Singapore where pro-gay children's book were pulled from the National Library.

And it has triggered much debate on morality and tolerance.

I wonder if there is a fallacy-name for this. If not, I will be calling it the 'Paternal (or Maternal) fallacy' from now on.

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25-07-2014, 09:55 PM
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(25-07-2014 09:25 PM)DLJ Wrote:  ...
Morally acceptable for yourself or morally acceptable for everyone else?
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Now I understand your question.

I am not anti-gay / les. Yet I sometimes wonder since I don't oppose equal marriage, whether I should support equal parenthood (same sex couples legally adopting children or having their own ones). Before requiring gay / les to show their children a society where the majority is not gay or lesbian, have the rest of the world already started to teach their young to treat gay / les as regular as they are ?

Is something morally accepted for everyone else ? This is no simple question to answer. Yet what has been regularly practiced is that [1] either you let people who think alike gather together or [2] you answer only for yourself, gather individual answers, form a public opinion. [1] may lead to separation and discrimination. [2] may lead to tyranny of the majority.

In this Singapore library thing you talked about, it seems that practice [2] is taken. What's left to do appears to be either to adjust oneself to the reality or to influence the public opinion by reasoning and empathy.

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25-07-2014, 11:26 PM
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(25-07-2014 09:55 PM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  ...

In this Singapore library thing you talked about, it seems that practice [2] is taken. What's left to do appears to be either to adjust oneself to the reality or to influence the public opinion by reasoning and empathy.

That's pretty much it, in a nutshell.

From a strictly 'governance best practice' perspective, pulling the books off the shelves was the right move because the individuals at the Library (operations staff) are supposed to follow procedure /policy.

In fact, it's remarkable that the books were there in the first place given the current anti-gay policy (377A)

To me, that's not the issue. The issue is that policies are supposed to be derived from Principles and if one looks at Singapore's Pledge (its Vision Statement) it contains the word 'equality' which is of course why the Progressives here see 337A as archaic.

Trouble is, the pledge also includes the word 'unity' and it is easier to have the semblance of unity if one panders to the Conservative majority.

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26-07-2014, 12:28 AM
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Would have been interesting to see a cross check with regards to religious affiliation. When religion dictates a person's moral compass then their nationality/race/culture may be less important.
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