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16-04-2013, 12:18 PM
RE: A Prayer for Boston and for Us All
*sigh* Lets use a horrible tragedy to harass the atheists. Nice. I'm glad I'm not a fucking christian.
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16-04-2013, 12:42 PM
RE: A Prayer for Boston and for Us All
(15-04-2013 11:57 PM)Egor Wrote:  Dear Father,

Today You had it in Your plan that many at the Boston Marathon should experience a terrorist attack. There have been injuries; some have gone home, and still more may cross over to You. We accept in faith that Your plan will be revealed to us in time, but until then we pray for the rapid healing of those who will live, the glory of heaven for those who have gone home, and the courage as a nation to act with the power of Christ against those who have wrought these evil deeds.

If there is a lesson to be learned, we want the wisdom. If there is love to be shown, we want to be its instrument. If good can come in the face of disaster, we will wait for it, but if war has come again, may we exact Your perfect wrath upon those who have harmed the innocent.

Place upon the heads of those who suffer now and those who mourn Your perfect peace, dear Lord. Let nothing be in vain.

In the name of Christ, we pray. Amen

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For some reason I'm thinking about that again . . .

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16-04-2013, 12:49 PM
RE: A Prayer for Boston and for Us All
(16-04-2013 12:42 PM)cufflink Wrote:  
(15-04-2013 11:57 PM)Egor Wrote:  Dear Father,

Today You had it in Your plan that many at the Boston Marathon should experience a terrorist attack. There have been injuries; some have gone home, and still more may cross over to You. We accept in faith that Your plan will be revealed to us in time, but until then we pray for the rapid healing of those who will live, the glory of heaven for those who have gone home, and the courage as a nation to act with the power of Christ against those who have wrought these evil deeds.

If there is a lesson to be learned, we want the wisdom. If there is love to be shown, we want to be its instrument. If good can come in the face of disaster, we will wait for it, but if war has come again, may we exact Your perfect wrath upon those who have harmed the innocent.

Place upon the heads of those who suffer now and those who mourn Your perfect peace, dear Lord. Let nothing be in vain.

In the name of Christ, we pray. Amen

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For some reason I'm thinking about that again . . .

I'd like to see that. It is consistent with our having ±Reputation. Yes

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16-04-2013, 01:07 PM
 
RE: A Prayer for Boston and for Us All
(16-04-2013 02:13 AM)Vosur Wrote:  Veridican Gospel of Jesus Christ (VGJC) - Chapter Seven, verse 4-5:
4. “When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray in public where people see them. In truth, I tell you, the notice of others is their only reward.

5. “But when you pray, go into your inner room, close the door, and pray to your Father who is in there with you, and your Father who sees what is done in secret places will reward you.

Well, we're going to have to think about this, aren't we? After all, Jesus prayed in public. So, hmmm, what could it mean? Consider
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16-04-2013, 01:10 PM
RE: A Prayer for Boston and for Us All
(16-04-2013 12:18 PM)Hobbitgirl Wrote:  *sigh* Lets use a horrible tragedy to harass the atheists. Nice. I'm glad I'm not a fucking christian.

Just driving home my point, Egor.

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16-04-2013, 01:40 PM
 
RE: A Prayer for Boston and for Us All
(16-04-2013 12:12 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  What is the point of this?

Why are you posting this here, Ed?

To show compassion for those who are suffering. I was suffering, so I prayed, and I thought my prayer might help others to feel better.

Quote:You, as much as anyone, should know it's not only pointless to post this but also insulting.

Atheists don't care about prayers...

Sure they do. Even more so.

Quote:and if I may be so bold to say... they certainly don't care about, or even hate, the prayers that come from you.

No, they don't.

Quote:Consider what Jesus said in Matthew 6:

1“Beware of practicing your righteousness before men to be noticed by them; otherwise you have no reward with your Father who is in heaven.

5 “When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. 6 But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.

So, get out of my inner room. The title said what this post was. Your'e the one listening in.

Quote:You have spoken out against my practice of not preaching here... even though I am not called to preach; likewise, I've have spoken out against your preaching here... even though you are called to preach.

I don't care any more. I really don't.

Quote:Here is the issue I have:

Are you furthering or hindering the kingdom of Christ? Are you being like Christ?

I think your reputation alone speaks for itself.

Is that the measure of a Christian these days? The rep points in an atheist forum?

Quote:Jesus was well liked...

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Quote:and followed... you are not.

Good! People are supposed to follow Jesus Christ--He's our one and only teacher. People aren't supposed to follow me.

Quote:Maybe it's time to reconsider what you are doing.

I don't preach because atheists have usually made the decision to leave religion. There isn't anything I need to tell them or say to them that they don't know. I'll leave the changing to God.

And I'll show them I care enough to keep trying. I'll leave a candle in the window and keep calling for that one lost sheep. And I won't lose faith, not while I possess the power of Christ.

Quote:People are well aware that I'm a Christian...

Yes, they are.

Quote:so, if they want to discuss Christ with me, they are free to do so.

I think they stopped talking to you about Christ a long time ago.

Quote: Pressuring anyone and shoving your message down people's throats is a sure way to create hostility... which you have done...

...and what you're continuing to do with this "prayer".

I titled this post as a prayer. No one had to click on it and read it. It is what I advertised it to be. Those upset by it have only themselves to blame. I shoved nothing down anyone's throat.

Besides, you weren't going to offer a prayer for Boston, were you? Otherwise you'd be the one they were ganging up on. You'd have to feel some rejection. No, you weren't going to stand up as one of the spiritual leaders in this forum and pray. That would never happen.

Quote:To me, it seems, the only purpose of this "prayer" was to instigate and piss people off... ultimately, turning them away from Christ.

Is that what I did? I pissed you off, did I? Now, why would that be? It's just a prayer. It's not porn. Porn wouldn't have pissed you off though, would it? You might have deleted it, but it wouldn't have pissed you off.

Why don't you delete the prayer? Like porn. Aren't you in a position to do that now?

Quote:I don't understand why you don't understand.

Being bold in your beliefs doesn't involve pretty much anything you do. You're not bold in Christ... you're abrasive in Christ.

Well then, get a tougher hide.
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16-04-2013, 01:53 PM
 
RE: A Prayer for Boston and for Us All
(16-04-2013 12:18 PM)Hobbitgirl Wrote:  *sigh* Lets use a horrible tragedy to harass the atheists. Nice. I'm glad I'm not a fucking christian.

What part of my prayer says anything about atheists? What part of my prayer says anything about you or how you live your life? You didn't have to click on my post and come in here and comment. You chose to.
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16-04-2013, 02:03 PM
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i can't let this go without saying a few more things.

(15-04-2013 11:57 PM)Egor Wrote:  Dear Father,

Today You had it in Your plan that many at the Boston Marathon should experience a terrorist attack. There have been injuries; some have gone home, and still more may cross over to You. We accept in faith that Your plan will be revealed to us in time . . .

One of the three people killed in Boston yesterday was an 8-year-old boy named Martin Richard. He was there at the finish line of the marathon along with his family. Martin's father wasn't injured, but his 6-year-old sister lost a leg and his mother had to undergo surgery for a brain injury.

This is a picture of the little boy at a "Peace Walk" his school organized last year. He made the sign himself.

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If you can look at that picture and maintain your composure, you're a better man than I.

People who believe in "the god of popular theism"--the god who is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent, who loves every one of us and wants only the best for us, who "has the whole world in His hands," a world where all happens in accordance with His will . . . such people can only fall back on empty platitudes like "He moves in mysterious ways" and "Someday we'll understand" and other such crap.

If the murder of this little boy and a billion other slaughters are part of this being's "plan," that being doesn't deserve our love. He doesn't deserve our respect. He deserves to be spat on.

Others have said it much better than I can:

John Stuart Mill:

“I will call no being good, who is not what I mean when I apply that epithet to my fellow-creatures; and if such a being can sentence me to hell for not so calling him, to hell I will go.”

And Bertrand Russell:

"The world in which we live can be understood as a result of muddle and accident; but if it is the outcome of a deliberate purpose, the purpose must have been that of a fiend."

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16-04-2013, 02:21 PM
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(16-04-2013 12:06 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  You missed out the tens of thousands of people that will die today because of preventable disease and war.

Christ, Muffs!!! Don't be such a Debbie Downer!

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16-04-2013, 02:27 PM
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(16-04-2013 01:40 PM)Egor Wrote:  To show compassion for those who are suffering. I was suffering, so I prayed, and I thought my prayer might help others to feel better.

Atheists?

C'mon, you're smarter than that. You know good and well that posting a prayer here would create discontent on a forum that's mainly populated with atheists.

What comfort do you think they could derive from this?

Quote:Sure they do. Even more so.

No. They really don't.

Quote:No, they don't.

Really? Maybe we should ask. Look for an incoming topic.

Quote:So, get out of my inner room. The title said what this post was. Your'e the one listening in.

Your inner room? You've really, completely lost it. You posted this publicly. On a public forum. Filled with atheists.

There is nothing private or "inner" about this. You wanted people to see this... you wanted to instigate and cause a stir. Just like the pharisees.

Quote:I don't care any more. I really don't.

That was a bridge into the point I was going to make... it wasn't meant to be dissected.

Quote:Is that the measure of a Christian these days? The rep points in an atheist forum?

Ummm... you were honestly thinking about rep points? I guess they must matter to you.

No, Ed. I was talking about your actual reputation. Like as in Edward Gordon.

Quote:Good! People are supposed to follow Jesus Christ--He's our one and only teacher. People aren't supposed to follow me.

...and, by claiming to be of Christ and acting the way you do causes people to see Christ negatively. You don't see a problem with this?

Quote:And I'll show them I care enough to keep trying. I'll leave a candle in the window and keep calling for that one lost sheep. And I won't lose faith, not while I possess the power of Christ.

Your words are cheap. You don't do as you say. People despise you, and with that, they despise Christ... and not because of Christ... but by the way that you act.

Quote:Yes, they are.

I think they stopped talking to you about Christ a long time ago.

Then why is it I converse with multiple people, both new and old, only a daily basis about Christianity on this very site?

Quote:I titled this post as a prayer. No one had to click on it and read it. It is what I advertised it to be. Those upset by it have only themselves to blame. I shoved nothing down anyone's throat.

Besides, you weren't going to offer a prayer for Boston, were you? Otherwise you'd be the one they were ganging up on. You'd have to feel some rejection. No, you weren't going to stand up as one of the spiritual leaders in this forum and pray. That would never happen.

I pray as I'm commanded. I pray on my own, in private. So, don't condemn me when you have no idea. I don't need people to know I'm praying... like you do.

Quote:Is that what I did? I pissed you off, did I? Now, why would that be? It's just a prayer. It's not porn. Porn wouldn't have pissed you off though, would it? You might have deleted it, but it wouldn't have pissed you off.

Why don't you delete the prayer? Like porn. Aren't you in a position to do that now?

You didn't piss me off... but I'm smart enough to know that you're trying to incite some type of uproar towards atheists with the posting of a "prayer".

And no... porn doesn't piss me off. Damaging the name of Christ pisses me off.

Quote:Well then, get a tougher hide.

Stop damaging the image of Christ.

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