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22-11-2013, 02:50 PM
A Rock So Heavy
God makes a universe with a big rock in it whose mass fills every bit of its space. This proposed universe can be massive and stretch across time itself along with the mass of the rock or the size of a football field or even smaller if you like. Idea

Now since there is nowhere to go for the rock, God must move the whole universe inside its dimension to "lift the rock".

He has made a rock so massive He cannot lift it in space, although He can move it by moving the universe through a continuum outside the space/time of that universe. He has made a rock He both can "lift" and cannot "lift" and He can do both actions at the same time by moving the whole universe--and that is awesome. Checkmate, atheists!

The real question is can God do something illogical such as violate Newtonian principles in our universe?

And the real rock is Jesus Christ. You and I cannot lift Him, He was lifted above the Earth for our sin. He rose so trusting Him we receive eternal life.

If you stumble over the rock, you will be saved. If the rock falls upon you, you will be crushed.

Again just so we're clear, checkmate. Drinking Beverage
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22-11-2013, 02:57 PM
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That's nice, darling.

If something can be destroyed by the truth, it might be worth destroying.

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22-11-2013, 02:58 PM
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(22-11-2013 02:50 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  He has made a rock so massive He cannot lift it in space, although He can move it by moving the universe through a continuum outside the space/time of that universe. He has made a rock He both can "lift" and cannot "lift" and He can do both actions at the same time by moving the whole universe--and that is awesome. Checkmate, atheists!

Cool story, but you didn't solve the contradiction since you have still listed something he can't do.

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22-11-2013, 02:59 PM
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ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

Checkmate PJ!
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22-11-2013, 03:00 PM
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(22-11-2013 02:50 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  The real question is can God do something illogical such as violate Newtonian principles in our universe?


No, the real question is whether an omnipotent being is a logical concept.

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22-11-2013, 03:01 PM
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You just made it up that there is some sort of continuum outside of the universe. You have to add extra perimeters to the problem in order to solve it, you haven't solved the original dilemma.

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22-11-2013, 03:07 PM
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This has been posted before. Move along, nothing new to see here. Drinking Beverage

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22-11-2013, 03:14 PM
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PJ...

You are going to make GRP Rage.

GRP should be outlawed in all discussion for the simple fact of

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22-11-2013, 03:28 PM
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If "God" went back in time and killed his grandfather, before his grandfather ever meet his grandmother, would "God" ever have been born, in order to go back in time and kill his grandfather in the first place, thus meaning he would be born, in order to go into the past and kill his grandfather, but then he..............................................................................​................................................................................​................................................................................​................................................................................​................................................................................​................................................................................​..................................................

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22-11-2013, 03:30 PM
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(22-11-2013 03:14 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  PJ...

You are going to make GRP Rage.

GRP should be outlawed in all discussion for the simple fact of

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Am I flogging, beating, persecuting or spanking that horse?
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