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26-11-2013, 12:08 AM
RE: A Rock So Heavy
All I'm going to say is that the problem with infinities is, there are different sized infinities. So labeling anything as infinite is not that helpful. An infinite set of prime numbers is smaller than an infinite set of whole numbers, but both are infinite. Likewise a god capable of infinite logical actions is capable of less than one who is able to perform logically impossible actions as well; his infinite set is larger.

Infinities are weird. So how many people here are math majors with a firm grasp on set theory? Who thinks the Biblical authors had a firm grasp on set theory? Yeah, I didn't think so...

http://skullsinthestars.com/2013/11/14/i...-infinity/

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26-11-2013, 12:15 AM
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(26-11-2013 12:08 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Who thinks the Biblical authors ignorant iron-age goatherders had a firm grasp on set theory? Yeah, I didn't think so...

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26-11-2013, 07:47 AM
RE: A Rock So Heavy
(26-11-2013 12:15 AM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  
(26-11-2013 12:08 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Who thinks the Biblical authors ignorant iron-age goatherders had a firm grasp on set theory? Yeah, I didn't think so...

fixed!

Insulting our ancestors is saying we moderns are the progeny of the ignorant. The "iron age goatherders" of Mesopotamia and elsewhere did things we're still debating today as to how they accomplished them!
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26-11-2013, 07:50 AM
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Are you praising their set theory, PJ, or something else specific?

Give me your argument in the form of a published paper, and then we can start to talk.
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26-11-2013, 07:55 AM
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PJ's merely whacking off over the keyboard as usual.

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26-11-2013, 08:25 AM
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(26-11-2013 07:47 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
(26-11-2013 12:15 AM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  fixed!

Insulting our ancestors is saying we moderns are the progeny of the ignorant. The "iron age goatherders" of Mesopotamia and elsewhere did things we're still debating today as to how they accomplished them!

They built the pyramids while being entirely unaware of pathogens and how to effectively combat them. We placed human on the moon and yet live with people who believe in astral projection, tarot cards, astrology, and the second coming of Christ.

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26-11-2013, 09:16 AM
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Insulting our ancestors is saying we moderns are the progeny of the ignorant. The "iron age goatherders" of Mesopotamia and elsewhere did things we're still debating today as to how they accomplished them!
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Of course we are the progeny of the ignorant. This my friend is called progress.

They did good stuff.. we do a lot more good stuff.. some times we find new (old) ways of doing things by looking at what our ancestors did.

Or, then again are you saying that your ancestors with their life expectancy of 32, illiteracy and poor personal hygiene, have not progressed with you?.. well you said it.
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26-11-2013, 09:37 AM
RE: A Rock So Heavy
(25-11-2013 09:15 PM)cjlr Wrote:  Because "without limit" means an infinite set and that isn't specific enough.
Specific enough, for what? Discussion? Then maybe so. But infinity, by its very nature as theists attempt to use it, can't be made more specific because it is without limits.

(25-11-2013 09:15 PM)cjlr Wrote:  You're speaking very lazily about a sort of necessarily-indefinite infinite-but-not-knowable concept (or rather, imputing such a conception to theists who haven't thought things through)... It's not coherent. End of story.
I agree theists haven't thought things through. I agree, the whole notion of an infinite being is ridiculous. But the concept of infinity as theists wish to apply it to their god, is clear even if ridiculous. It essentially amount to everything since it is without limits. I disagree that there are multiple conceptual meanings of infinity. Anything less than "everything" (and more precisely, infinitely more than everything and infinitely less than nothing), isn't infinity.

The problem is you're getting stuck on mathematical infinities. And that's understandable considering 1) the term originated from math, and 2) applying it to a god is nonsensical. But, my original point was, when discussing this with theists, they aren't thinking about infinity in the mathematical sense and, therefore, there aren't multiple infinities in that context. They simply mean without any limits, even if they haven't clearly thought about what the truly means.

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26-11-2013, 09:40 AM
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(26-11-2013 09:37 AM)Impulse Wrote:  
(25-11-2013 09:15 PM)cjlr Wrote:  Because "without limit" means an infinite set and that isn't specific enough.
Specific enough, for what? Discussion? Then maybe so. But infinity, by its very nature as theists attempt to use it, can't be made more specific because it is without limits.

(25-11-2013 09:15 PM)cjlr Wrote:  You're speaking very lazily about a sort of necessarily-indefinite infinite-but-not-knowable concept (or rather, imputing such a conception to theists who haven't thought things through)... It's not coherent. End of story.
I agree theists haven't thought things through. I agree, the whole notion of an infinite being is ridiculous. But the concept of infinity as theists wish to apply it to their god, is clear even if ridiculous. It essentially amount to everything since it is without limits. I disagree that there are multiple conceptual meanings of infinity. Anything less than "everything" (and more precisely, infinitely more than everything and infinitely less than nothing), isn't infinity.

The problem is you're getting stuck on mathematical infinities. And that's understandable considering 1) the term originated from math, and 2) applying it to a god is nonsensical. But, my original point was, when discussing this with theists, they aren't thinking about infinity in the mathematical sense and, therefore, there aren't multiple infinities in that context. They simply mean without any limits, even if they haven't clearly thought about what the truly means.

So your point is that you have no point. Gotcha. Thumbsup

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26-11-2013, 09:43 AM
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(26-11-2013 09:40 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  So your point is that you have no point. Gotcha. Thumbsup
The point was infinite. How did you miss it? Ohmy Wink

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