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12-09-2013, 09:31 AM
 
RE: A civil defense defender said an atomic explosion will never vaporized a human body
So the energy released by the first atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima must be less than the energy needed to vaporize water, perhaps. But I still confused about the blogger's opinions about the so-called "vaporization" myth. How could he said there are still survivors near the ground zero of an atomic bomb explosion and the bodies aren't even reduced to gas or plasma but still leaving some bone fragments and other remains? Whereas the heat from the explosion is at millions degree, several times hotter than the Sun's core.
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12-09-2013, 10:18 AM
RE: A civil defense defender said an atomic explosion will never vaporized a human body
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Latent Heat of Vaporization of Water = 2260 kJ/kg
Specific Heat of Water = 4.1813 kJ/(kg*K)
deltaT = 85° K (assuming room temperature to start)

Energy per unit mass to vaporize water = (4.1813*85)+(2260) = 2615.41 kJ/kg

'Little Boy's theoretical energy yield = 65 TJ = 65 x 10^9 kJ

so Little Boy is capable of vaporizing 24.9 million kg of water or approx 25,000 cubic meters or 25 million liters of water.

That blogger is an idiot.

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12-09-2013, 10:25 AM
RE: A civil defense defender said an atomic explosion will never vaporized a human body
There's no point addressing an incoherent thesis.

The prompting blog post is a deranged mess. There's nothing to address.

The force at the epicentre of an atomic explosion is more than sufficient to dissociate molecular bonds. It is likewise more than sufficient to create a plasma or break intermolecular bonds (a reasonable definition of 'vaporize', which again, the original blogger does not seem to be able to define).

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12-09-2013, 12:03 PM
 
RE: A civil defense defender said an atomic explosion will never vaporized a human body
(12-09-2013 10:18 AM)Carlo_The_Bugsmasher_Driver Wrote:  Elugelab Island

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Latent Heat of Vaporization of Water = 2260 kJ/kg
Specific Heat of Water = 4.1813 kJ/(kg*K)
deltaT = 85° K (assuming room temperature to start)

Energy per unit mass to vaporize water = (4.1813*85)+(2260) = 2615.41 kJ/kg

'Little Boy's theoretical energy yield = 65 TJ = 65 x 10^9 kJ

so Little Boy is capable of vaporizing 24.9 million kg of water or approx 25,000 cubic meters or 25 million liters of water.

That blogger is an idiot.

Regarding the Elugelab island, the blogger, Nigel Cook said it's just an artificial coral atoll, not a real island because of a statement made by Rear Admiral Lewis L. Strauss, Atomic Energy Commission chairman in March 31, 1954, the following statement is "The Marshall Islands during the months of February, March, and April are usually favored by winds which would blow away from any inhabited atolls.The two atolls of Bikini and Eniwetok were chosen as the base for these operations.Each of these atolls is a large necklace of coral reef surrounding a lagoon two to three hundreds of square miles in area, and at various points on the reef like beads on a string appear a multitude of little islands, some a few score acres in extent—others no more than sand spits. It is these small, uninhabited, treeless sand bars which are used for the experiments. As a matter fact, the task force dredged up enough sand and coral to build one of these so-called islands to have it where it was wanted most advantageously for shot No. 1. The impression that an entire atoll or even large islands have been destroyed in these tests is erroneous. It would be more accurate to say a large sand spit or reef". Then the blogger Nigel Cook continued, "No, Elugelab wasn't "vaporised". If you touch coral, it's fragile and breaks up very easily into coral sand. Hence the big crater, which doesn't happen in ordinary soil:

See the latest post on this blog for a discussion of cratering exaggerations: Easy protection against the exaggerated city effects of nuclear weapons, and easy protection against nerve gas,
http://glasstone.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/...r-d-g.html". Huh
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12-09-2013, 12:12 PM
RE: A civil defense defender said an atomic explosion will never vaporized a human body
(12-09-2013 12:03 PM)Mike Wrote:  
(12-09-2013 10:18 AM)Carlo_The_Bugsmasher_Driver Wrote:  Elugelab Island

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Latent Heat of Vaporization of Water = 2260 kJ/kg
Specific Heat of Water = 4.1813 kJ/(kg*K)
deltaT = 85° K (assuming room temperature to start)

Energy per unit mass to vaporize water = (4.1813*85)+(2260) = 2615.41 kJ/kg

'Little Boy's theoretical energy yield = 65 TJ = 65 x 10^9 kJ

so Little Boy is capable of vaporizing 24.9 million kg of water or approx 25,000 cubic meters or 25 million liters of water.

That blogger is an idiot.

Regarding the Elugelab island, the blogger, Nigel Cook said it's just an artificial coral atoll, not a real island. Then he continued, "No, Elugelab wasn't "vaporised". If you touch coral, it's fragile and breaks up very easily into coral sand. Hence the big crater, which doesn't happen in ordinary soil:

See the latest post on this blog for a discussion of cratering exaggerations: Easy protection against the exaggerated city effects of nuclear weapons, and easy protection against nerve gas,
http://glasstone.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/...r-d-g.html". Huh

He is just wrong. His math is incorrect and his statements have no basis in observed results.

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12-09-2013, 01:26 PM
RE: A civil defense defender said an atomic explosion will never vaporized a human body
(12-09-2013 12:03 PM)Mike Wrote:  
(12-09-2013 10:18 AM)Carlo_The_Bugsmasher_Driver Wrote:  Elugelab Island

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Latent Heat of Vaporization of Water = 2260 kJ/kg
Specific Heat of Water = 4.1813 kJ/(kg*K)
deltaT = 85° K (assuming room temperature to start)

Energy per unit mass to vaporize water = (4.1813*85)+(2260) = 2615.41 kJ/kg

'Little Boy's theoretical energy yield = 65 TJ = 65 x 10^9 kJ

so Little Boy is capable of vaporizing 24.9 million kg of water or approx 25,000 cubic meters or 25 million liters of water.

That blogger is an idiot.

Regarding the Elugelab island, the blogger, Nigel Cook said it's just an artificial coral atoll, not a real island because of a statement made by Rear Admiral Lewis L. Strauss, Atomic Energy Commission chairman in March 31, 1954, the following statement is "The Marshall Islands during the months of February, March, and April are usually favored by winds which would blow away from any inhabited atolls.The two atolls of Bikini and Eniwetok were chosen as the base for these operations.Each of these atolls is a large necklace of coral reef surrounding a lagoon two to three hundreds of square miles in area, and at various points on the reef like beads on a string appear a multitude of little islands, some a few score acres in extent—others no more than sand spits. It is these small, uninhabited, treeless sand bars which are used for the experiments. As a matter fact, the task force dredged up enough sand and coral to build one of these so-called islands to have it where it was wanted most advantageously for shot No. 1. The impression that an entire atoll or even large islands have been destroyed in these tests is erroneous. It would be more accurate to say a large sand spit or reef". Then the blogger Nigel Cook continued, "No, Elugelab wasn't "vaporised". If you touch coral, it's fragile and breaks up very easily into coral sand. Hence the big crater, which doesn't happen in ordinary soil:

See the latest post on this blog for a discussion of cratering exaggerations: Easy protection against the exaggerated city effects of nuclear weapons, and easy protection against nerve gas,
http://glasstone.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/...r-d-g.html". Huh

Yes it will. You are advised to look at geosat photos of the Nellis Range just southwest of the Groom Lake/Area 51 complex. The landscape is littered with craters dug by detonating nuclear and thermonuclear weapons.

This is the last time I address you about this. Continue, and I'm going to dismiss you like I do Ray Comfort or any other imbecile who will not listen to reason.
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12-09-2013, 08:14 PM
 
RE: A civil defense defender said an atomic explosion will never vaporized a human body
Regarding the aftermath of Hiroshima after the atomic bombing, this is the photo of it. The blog author, Nigel Cook said even at the ground zero there are still many buildings that are still standing. The rubbles are also there and didn't got vaporized. The bridge, Aioi bridge is also unaffected. But from what I've known, however, the bomb is not detonated on the ground level. It was an air burst.

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12-09-2013, 09:04 PM
RE: A civil defense defender said an atomic explosion will never vaporized a human body
(12-09-2013 08:14 PM)Mike Wrote:  Regarding the aftermath of Hiroshima after the atomic bombing, this is the photo of it. The blog author, Nigel Cook said even at the ground zero there are still many buildings that are still standing. The rubbles are also there and didn't got vaporized. The bridge, Aioi bridge is also unaffected. But from what I've known, however, the bomb is not detonated on the ground level. It was an air burst.

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You are doing it again.

You asked a question, it was answered. You persist in picking at it, and changing the scope of the question without being clear about it.

You are tedious and annoying. Try being more honest about your questions.

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12-09-2013, 09:41 PM
RE: A civil defense defender said an atomic explosion will never vaporized a human body
(12-09-2013 08:14 PM)Mike Wrote:  Regarding the aftermath of Hiroshima after the atomic bombing, this is the photo of it. The blog author, Nigel Cook said even at the ground zero there are still many buildings that are still standing. The rubbles are also there and didn't got vaporized. The bridge, Aioi bridge is also unaffected. But from what I've known, however, the bomb is not detonated on the ground level. It was an air burst.

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So?

You'll forgive me if I utterly fail to see the point in this line of questioning.

Little Boy was 'just' a bomb. It made an explosion. It was not a sufficiently powerful explosion to obliterate literally everything. Furthermore it was a single explosion, and the air pressure effects would prevent a firestorm near the centre. The aftermath is utterly explicable in light of the target, the bomb, and the prevailing conditions.

What is the point?

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13-09-2013, 02:21 AM
 
RE: A civil defense defender said an atomic explosion will never vaporized a human body
(12-09-2013 12:12 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(12-09-2013 12:03 PM)Mike Wrote:  Regarding the Elugelab island, the blogger, Nigel Cook said it's just an artificial coral atoll, not a real island. Then he continued, "No, Elugelab wasn't "vaporised". If you touch coral, it's fragile and breaks up very easily into coral sand. Hence the big crater, which doesn't happen in ordinary soil:

See the latest post on this blog for a discussion of cratering exaggerations: Easy protection against the exaggerated city effects of nuclear weapons, and easy protection against nerve gas,
http://glasstone.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/...r-d-g.html". Huh

He is just wrong. His math is incorrect and his statements have no basis in observed results.

Who's wrong? The blogger or him?
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