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29-07-2011, 09:33 PM
 
RE: A confused Atheist..
(27-07-2011 08:59 AM)Filox Wrote:  Pozdrav tebi Bosanski brate... (Hello my Bosnian brother)

Glad to see you here, this will be a good place for you to find a lot of answers and to learn a lot about religions in general. Interesting fact isn't it, to come to the Atheistic forum to learn about religions? Smile Luckily for you Bosnia is not that hard to be an atheist, nobody will kill you for it, unless you live in some Vehabia village. Just stay with us here for a couple of months, you'll find out more than you imagined.

Greetings from a neighboring Croatia.

Sta ema brate? Croatia je moya favorite country, lol.

I live in the states, Chicago to be clear, was born in the US and can speak fluent Bosnian / Serbian / Hrvatski.

As for being an Atheist, I don't know, I just do not believe in a god as of right now, or ever did. I just think it's a joke and such, you know?

Just wonder why the parents get mad even though they are NOT religious whatsoever..
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29-07-2011, 10:30 PM
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For some people its a security blanket, and some people don't like discussing religion because they know some people feel provoked by opposing opinions and wish to avoid conflict(such as my mother).
If you are interested in learning more, so that you may be confident in your reasons behind non-belief, than I suggest starting by watching youtube videos; a few youtube atheists I would recommend are QualiaSoup, Thunerf00t, PatCondell, PhilHellenes, WhyEvolutionIsTrue, as well as a few others who can normally be found through them.
QualiaSoup does videos on just about everything, from evolution to morality, and has recently put up a 2 part video series based on morality.
Thunderf00t has a series called "Why people laugh at creationists" although lately hes been a bit distracted from it.
PatCondell makes a lot of generic videos about absurdities in Islam and Christianity.
PhilHellenes has many good videos about the absurdities of biblical morality as well as some of the historical claims of Islam.
WhyEvolutionIsTrue: Very informative, has a lot of videos about biology, but also makes it very easy to understand.

Hey brother christian, with your high and mighty errand, your actions speak so loud, I can't hear a word you're saying.

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30-07-2011, 06:47 AM
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(29-07-2011 09:33 PM)AAtheist Wrote:  Just wonder why the parents get mad even though they are NOT religious whatsoever..

The parents are probably not so much mad as worried. Religious rebellion in a teenager is perfectly normal, as is all kinds of rebellion, and it makes parents nervous. Because rebellion might mean that you are rejecting your heritage and culture - and family! Or it might mean that you'll get into extreme company: fringe groups, protests, maybe political opposition, maybe police trouble or fights with other groups.... There is no end of the dangers parents can imagine threatening their child. Worry is pretty much every parent's middle name.
As i suggested earlier, if you want to discuss religion with the parents, choose your language carefully: more curious than judgmental or scornful. All i mean by that is, show some respect for them, if not for the ideology.

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30-07-2011, 11:24 AM
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(29-07-2011 12:38 PM)gamutman Wrote:  Atheism is not a belief. It's basically the denial of the beliefs of others.
But if you deny the beliefs of others, doesn't that mean you believe those people are wrong? So in fact atheism is a belief.

(29-07-2011 12:40 PM)myst32 Wrote:  
(29-07-2011 11:10 AM)theophilus Wrote:  He gave us the power to choose what we do and many people choose to do evil. He could have made a race of robots who would always do what they were programmed to do but he chose not to do this.

This argument may work for people (I could argue it if you like) but fails when humans are removed from the equation. For example..

1. Stillborn babies
2. Natural Disasters.
3. Birth Defects
4. Diseases
5. Cancer
6. Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS)

It appears that God is very good at killing us without any involvement on our part. The only way out of Theodicy is to redefine "evil" as a lesser good. Something i call BS on.
None of these things would have happened if humans hadn't sinned. Adam was placed in charge of the world and his sin affected it.

The only reason God permits evil is that in the end he will bring something good out of it.

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30-07-2011, 02:18 PM
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(30-07-2011 11:24 AM)theophilus Wrote:  if you deny the beliefs of others, doesn't that mean you believe those people are wrong? So in fact atheism is a belief.
I believe that water is wet. I do not believe that water is dry. I deny the belief that water is dry. Therefore, my conviction that the people who say water is dry are wrong is a belief.
Not a religion, of course; not a belief-system; not a philosophy. Just your basic, isolated assertion of your basic, isolated fact.

(29-07-2011 11:10 AM)theophilus Wrote:  The only reason God permits evil is that in the end he will bring something good out of it.

Well, that will be nice, for those of us who live to see it. Not so nice for the kids who suffered and died from leukemia. As long as he's a just god, everything gonna be okay, right?

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01-08-2011, 05:28 AM
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@theophilus

Yeah, if you want to go to philosophical theories, you can say that atheism is a belief, belief in non-existence of God, Creator, Whatever. But that is just the semantics, there really is no point in claiming that. Not believing in something does not make you a believer in the opposite. Because if we were believers as some theist are saying, we would have atheist churches and icons and similar stuff... And that's just silly...

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@ AAtheist

Look, even if your parents are not believers, like active believers, they are still bound by tradition to present themselves as believers. I presume they grew up in Bosnia and since Bosnia is pretty traditional country, it's quite normal for them to behave in that way. My parents are also not religious, they never go to church, they never told me or press me about church or religion when I was younger, but still, when I say anything against church (Roman-Catholic) or religions they go crazy, saying things like: "You are Croat, how can you say those things, they helped us (the people and the Earth) so much (??!??), what are some kind of an Antichrist?" And stuff like that, so I avoid talking about those things in front of them. Luckily, they are not religious, so it is very easy not to get to that subject. In their opinion, you can not be a true Croat and a patriot if you are not Croat-Catholic. That is the stupidest thing my parents ever said in their life. I presume something similar is with you parents also, since they are from a neighboring country where people think very similar and that is something you can never change, so just try to avoid the subject and you have no more problems.

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01-08-2011, 11:19 AM
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(30-07-2011 02:18 PM)Peterkin Wrote:  
(29-07-2011 11:10 AM)theophilus Wrote:  The only reason God permits evil is that in the end he will bring something good out of it.

Well, that will be nice, for those of us who live to see it. Not so nice for the kids who suffered and died from leukemia. As long as he's a just god, everything gonna be okay, right?
All of us will see the final outcome and the good that God brings out of the world's evils. The death of our bodies isn't the end of our existence.

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01-08-2011, 11:38 AM (This post was last modified: 01-08-2011 01:35 PM by Peterkin.)
RE: A confused Atheist..
(01-08-2011 11:19 AM)theophilus Wrote:  All of us will see the final outcome and the good that God brings out of the world's evils. The death of our bodies isn't the end of our existence.

That may be so (I don't believe it for a second, but, hey, i was wrong about something else one time, 1973, i think it was, springtime, a Tuesday....) but it won't make any difference to what we've already suffered in the flesh, and the unfairness of the innocent suffering more than the guilty, and all that shit. Maybe the guilty can be punished, post-decease but you can't compensate for past pain.

See your neighbour sexually abusing his little child. Say to him: "Stop that. It's wrong." He replies: "No, it's good. I'll give her candy later."
No candy later will remove the hurt of now. Especially no promise of a disembodied candy for a soul without tastebuds!

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01-08-2011, 06:24 PM (This post was last modified: 01-08-2011 06:57 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: A confused Atheist..
(29-07-2011 11:10 AM)theophilus Wrote:  He could have made a race of robots who would always do what they were programmed to do but he chose not to do this.

That statement is not at all obvious to me. I'm pretty sure I'm always doing what I'm programmed to do within some stochastic parameterization. The only unresolved issue is where did the programming come from. As a computer scientist myself, genetic programming doesn't seem like a completely unreasonable analogy to be dismissed out of hand. We programmed ourselves using evolutionary processes. And, if Kurzweil is right, we will soon be free of the lengthy temporal constraints required by evolution. We have evolved to the point where we no longer require evolution.

(01-08-2011 11:19 AM)theophilus Wrote:  The death of our bodies isn't the end of our existence.

It most certainly is, at least insofar as anyone of us is currently capable of understanding our individual existence. Betting on anything else is just delusional.

As it was in the beginning is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.
And I will show you something different from either
Your shadow at morning striding behind you
Or your shadow at evening rising to meet you;
I will show you fear in a handful of dust.
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01-08-2011, 08:39 PM
RE: A confused Atheist..
(29-07-2011 11:10 AM)theophilus Wrote:  
(27-07-2011 07:34 AM)AAtheist Wrote:  If god was so great and taught us well, why do we have crimes and people raping other kids? God wants that to not happen, right?
He gave us the power to choose what we do and many people choose to do evil. He could have made a race of robots who would always do what they were programmed to do but he chose not to do this.

He, why not she,and what of the beasts of nature who suffer as a result of the he/she creator.We really need to advance beyond the free will/determinism argument to get anywhere in this field.Dodgy
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