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01-08-2016, 04:19 AM
A dilemma: How an American could be a real atheist?
Since very long, the powerful/rich American families, ruling USA, decided to have God (likely the Jewish one) as their main partner.

Till our days, the USA system confirms this truth by printing always on all USA green banknotes (USA dollars) the famous statement “In God We Trust”.

I understand that a theist American (even if not a Jew) can trust both; his American rulers and their great partner, the Jewish God.

I also understand that a non-American person could be an atheist since his system likely doesn’t take a god as a trusted partner.

But, how could an American trust his ruling System whose trusted partner doesn’t exist for him in the first place?!

So let us hear the possible comments that may solve this dilemma Wink

Thank you.

Kerim

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01-08-2016, 04:27 AM
RE: A dilemma: How an American could be a real atheist?
The muffin man is seated at the table
In the laboratory of the utility muffin Research kitchen.
Reaching for an oversized chrome spoon,
He gathers an Intimate quantity of dried muffin
Remnants and brushing his scapular aside,
Procceds to dump these inside of his shirt...
He turns to us and speaks:
"Some people like cupcakes better.
I for one care less for them!"
Arrogantly twisting the sterile canvas
Snoot of a fully charged icing anointment utensil,
He 'poot's forths a quarter-ounce green rosette,
- oh ah yuk, yuk... let's try that again...! -
He 'poots' forth a quarter-ounce green rosette
Near the summit of a dense,
But radiant muffin of his own design.
Later he says:
"Some people... some people like cupcakes
Exclusively, while myself, I say,
There is naught nor ought there be nothing
So exalted on the face of god's grey
Earth as that prince of foods... the muffin!"
Girl you thought he was a man,
But he was a muffin,
He hung around till you found,
That he didn't know nuthin',
Girl you thought he was a man,
But he only was a-puffin',
No cries is heard in the night,
As a result of him stuffin',

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01-08-2016, 04:37 AM
RE: A dilemma: How an American could be a real atheist?
For an atheist, "In god we trust" has no meaning. Personally, I ignore it; others get upset about it. Last I heard, 85% of Americans believe in some sort of God, but our Constitution protects everyone, no matter their faith or lack of faith.

BTW, Christian Americans believe in the "Jewish" god the same way that Muslim Americans, and all Muslims for that matter, believe in the "Jewish" god.

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01-08-2016, 05:16 AM
RE: A dilemma: How an American could be a real atheist?
At work.

Well, KerimF, your use of English does slowly seem to be getting better at least. Thumbsup
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01-08-2016, 05:21 AM
RE: A dilemma: How an American could be a real atheist?
(01-08-2016 04:19 AM)KerimF Wrote:  Since very long, the powerful/rich American families, ruling USA, decided to have God (likely the Jewish one) as their main partner.

Till our days, the USA system confirms this truth by printing always on all USA green banknotes (USA dollars) the famous statement “In God We Trust”.

I understand that a theist American (even if not a Jew) can trust both; his American rulers and their great partner, the Jewish God.

I also understand that a non-American person could be an atheist since his system likely doesn’t take a god as a trusted partner.

But, how could an American trust his ruling System whose trusted partner doesn’t exist for him in the first place?!

So let us hear the possible comments that may solve this dilemma Wink

Thank you.

Kerim

Some of the founding fathers were agnostic and deists, they were not exclusively Christian.

The constitution is a secular document, not a religious one, otherwise it would have only extended it's protections to certain religions.

Gods derive their power from post-hoc rationalizations. -The Inquisition

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01-08-2016, 05:40 AM
RE: A dilemma: How an American could be a real atheist?
(01-08-2016 04:19 AM)KerimF Wrote:  Since very long, the powerful/rich American families, ruling USA, decided to have God (likely the Jewish one) as their main partner.

Not sure what you mean. There is a wealthy class of "old-money" type families. The wealthy generally have more influence, but to say that there is a ruling group seems like a conspiracy theory. In any event, the majority of the people in the US have long claimed Christianity as their religion.

(01-08-2016 04:19 AM)KerimF Wrote:  Till our days, the USA system confirms this truth by printing always on all USA green banknotes (USA dollars) the famous statement “In God We Trust”.

Nope. In the early days of the country, some money was printed with the motto "Mind Your Business". Pretty early on, the US settled on the Latin phrase "E Pluribus Unum" to signify the unification of the colonies into a country.

The motto "In God We Trust" appeared in the mid-1950's. It was a response to the anti-communist fears of the era. It was all propaganda to give the people an enemy to fear. The "godless communists" were going to take over the world...

Every government needs a bogeyman to hold the peoples' attention. If one does not exist, one can easily be created.

(01-08-2016 04:19 AM)KerimF Wrote:  I understand that a theist American (even if not a Jew) can trust both; his American rulers and their great partner, the Jewish God.

Actually, no. The various religious sects have abused and mistreated each other since they arrived on the continent.

(01-08-2016 04:19 AM)KerimF Wrote:  I also understand that a non-American person could be an atheist since his system likely doesn’t take a god as a trusted partner.

If you're referring to people in other countries, I cannot speak for them.

(01-08-2016 04:19 AM)KerimF Wrote:  But, how could an American trust his ruling System whose trusted partner doesn’t exist for him in the first place?!

Separation of Church and State. The US Constitution forbids the government, on all levels (local, state, federal) from passing any law that is biased for or against a religion or religious group.

(01-08-2016 04:19 AM)KerimF Wrote:  So let us hear the possible comments that may solve this dilemma Wink

The only dilemma is when misguided politicians sneak in unconstitutional laws. These usually get challenged and lose in court. Sometimes it takes a while, but the mechanisms are in place.

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01-08-2016, 05:40 AM
RE: A dilemma: How an American could be a real atheist?
(01-08-2016 04:27 AM)Banjo Wrote:  The muffin man is seated at the table
In the laboratory of the utility muffin Research kitchen.
Reaching for an oversized chrome spoon,
He gathers an Intimate quantity of dried muffin
Remnants and brushing his scapular aside,
Procceds to dump these inside of his shirt...
He turns to us and speaks:
"Some people like cupcakes better.
I for one care less for them!"
Arrogantly twisting the sterile canvas
Snoot of a fully charged icing anointment utensil,
He 'poot's forths a quarter-ounce green rosette,
- oh ah yuk, yuk... let's try that again...! -
He 'poots' forth a quarter-ounce green rosette
Near the summit of a dense,
But radiant muffin of his own design.
Later he says:
"Some people... some people like cupcakes
Exclusively, while myself, I say,
There is naught nor ought there be nothing
So exalted on the face of god's grey
Earth as that prince of foods... the muffin!"
Girl you thought he was a man,
But he was a muffin,
He hung around till you found,
That he didn't know nuthin',
Girl you thought he was a man,
But he only was a-puffin',
No cries is heard in the night,
As a result of him stuffin',

I seldom had the chance to read poetry (in any language).
This one sounds not bad. Thank you.

Facts that don't need evidences:
Sheep for milk live in peace because it is the will of their rich owners.
Dogs obeying rich masters deserve much better food and shelters than free dogs do.
Whoever has ears will hear.
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01-08-2016, 05:44 AM
RE: A dilemma: How an American could be a real atheist?
(01-08-2016 05:40 AM)KerimF Wrote:  
(01-08-2016 04:27 AM)Banjo Wrote:  The muffin man is seated at the table
In the laboratory of the utility muffin Research kitchen.
Reaching for an oversized chrome spoon,
He gathers an Intimate quantity of dried muffin
Remnants and brushing his scapular aside,
Procceds to dump these inside of his shirt...
He turns to us and speaks:
"Some people like cupcakes better.
I for one care less for them!"
Arrogantly twisting the sterile canvas
Snoot of a fully charged icing anointment utensil,
He 'poot's forths a quarter-ounce green rosette,
- oh ah yuk, yuk... let's try that again...! -
He 'poots' forth a quarter-ounce green rosette
Near the summit of a dense,
But radiant muffin of his own design.
Later he says:
"Some people... some people like cupcakes
Exclusively, while myself, I say,
There is naught nor ought there be nothing
So exalted on the face of god's grey
Earth as that prince of foods... the muffin!"
Girl you thought he was a man,
But he was a muffin,
He hung around till you found,
That he didn't know nuthin',
Girl you thought he was a man,
But he only was a-puffin',
No cries is heard in the night,
As a result of him stuffin',

I seldom had the chance to read poetry (in any language).
This one sounds not bad. Thank you.


It has musical accompaniment.




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01-08-2016, 05:45 AM
RE: A dilemma: How an American could be a real atheist?
At work.

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01-08-2016, 06:11 AM
RE: A dilemma: How an American could be a real atheist?
(01-08-2016 04:37 AM)jabeady Wrote:  For an atheist, "In god we trust" has no meaning. Personally, I ignore it; others get upset about it. Last I heard, 85% of Americans believe in some sort of God, but our Constitution protects everyone, no matter their faith or lack of faith.

BTW, Christian Americans believe in the "Jewish" god the same way that Muslim Americans, and all Muslims for that matter, believe in the "Jewish" god.

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I expect that an atheist (American or not) likely ignores the "In god we trust" printed on money as long it is his money and valid to buy things with it Wink
But if he will get someday some dollars on which this great statement is removed, he will surely refuse them as being not blessed by God... that doesn't exist Big Grin

BTW, the image of God as presented in Judaism then by Mohammad Al-Kuraishi (a relative to the ruling tribe Kuraish who took over the power in the name of his Allah) are very different from the image presented by the one known as Jesus Christ. But all formal Christians (belonging to formal Churches or Denominations) preferred seeing their God as Jews and Muslims do... The Supernatural King who expects his believers (if not all mankind) to obey his rules in order to avoid his wrath Big Grin

Kerim

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Sheep for milk live in peace because it is the will of their rich owners.
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Whoever has ears will hear.
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