A dilemma: How an American could be a real atheist?
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01-08-2016, 08:20 AM
RE: A dilemma: How an American could be a real atheist?
(01-08-2016 04:19 AM)KerimF Wrote:  Since very long, the powerful/rich American families, ruling USA, decided to have God (likely the Jewish one) as their main partner.

Till our days, the USA system confirms this truth by printing always on all USA green banknotes (USA dollars) the famous statement “In God We Trust”.

I understand that a theist American (even if not a Jew) can trust both; his American rulers and their great partner, the Jewish God.

I also understand that a non-American person could be an atheist since his system likely doesn’t take a god as a trusted partner.

But, how could an American trust his ruling System whose trusted partner doesn’t exist for him in the first place?!

So let us hear the possible comments that may solve this dilemma Wink

Thank you.

Kerim

I don't trust it. It is thoroughly corrupted. It is corrupted by the same ideas that religion promotes: subjectivism, irrationality, the morality of self sacrifice and collectivism.

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01-08-2016, 08:25 AM
RE: A dilemma: How an American could be a real atheist?
What does phony paper money have to do with anything? Americans mainly go around swipping little chips of plastic to exchange trade these days

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01-08-2016, 08:31 AM
RE: A dilemma: How an American could be a real atheist?
(01-08-2016 07:53 AM)KerimF Wrote:  Off topic:
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01-08-2016, 08:33 AM
RE: A dilemma: How an American could be a real atheist?
they could print "long live zeus" on our money and i wouldn't give a shit. as long as i can exchange it for food and booze i really couldn't care less.
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01-08-2016, 09:24 AM
RE: A dilemma: How an American could be a real atheist?
(01-08-2016 07:53 AM)KerimF Wrote:  Off topic:
I got -2 so far as reputation.
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This site doesn't ban you for excessive negative rep.

You can pretty much only get banned for violating forum rules, which are, in short, no spamming, no setting up second accounts to create the impression that you're a new poster, don't post/link porn, nudity, or promotions of pedophilia, no threats extending beyond the forum, no malicious disruption of the forum, and follow the rules of specific forums that have specific codes of conduct (these will have borders/backgrounds of a color other than grey; the Atheism and Theism forum does not have any special rules).
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01-08-2016, 09:45 AM
RE: A dilemma: How an American could be a real atheist?
Aaaaand another 4 pages of incoherent blabber. Facepalm

Quote:The unwanted men in Europe, innocent or guilty, were exiled to live behind the Atlantic, in America
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01-08-2016, 09:57 AM
RE: A dilemma: How an American could be a real atheist?
(01-08-2016 04:19 AM)KerimF Wrote:  Since very long, the powerful/rich American families, ruling USA, decided to have God (likely the Jewish one) as their main partner.

Till our days, the USA system confirms this truth by printing always on all USA green banknotes (USA dollars) the famous statement “In God We Trust”.

I understand that a theist American (even if not a Jew) can trust both; his American rulers and their great partner, the Jewish God.

I also understand that a non-American person could be an atheist since his system likely doesn’t take a god as a trusted partner.

But, how could an American trust his ruling System whose trusted partner doesn’t exist for him in the first place?!

So let us hear the possible comments that may solve this dilemma Wink

Thank you.

Kerim

In god we trust was only added to paper money during the 1950's as a result of fear of communism and nothing more. It should never had been put on our money in the first place because our constitution makes it quite clear that there is a seperation of church and state and the state shall never endorse any religion as the state religion. ALL of the founding fathers agreed to this and agreed that we shall never openly endorse any religion but rather leave it as a freedom for any citizen to choose whatever religion they want to practice as long as they did it privately and away from political matters.

God is not the partner of anyone since he doesn't fucking exist. There is no partners. The slogan was chosen by a bunch of fear mongering capitalists in our government as well as the federal reserve because of their own self interests.

Now as for your main question for how could someone trust a system whose ideas does not match their own, that is what we call democracy. Right now we have a corrupt political system that is bought and paid for by corporations who selected christian zealots as their bought and paid for representatives because those zealots appeal to the Christians who so badly want a Christian Theocracy implemented instead of a democracy which is NEVER going to freaking happen.

At the same time there are plenty of others bought and paid for that share our ideas of government and so on. It is foolish for any individual to trust their government. To put trust in your government is to basically say you don't care whether or not you get screwed by them.


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01-08-2016, 10:12 AM
RE: A dilemma: How an American could be a real atheist?
(01-08-2016 04:37 AM)jabeady Wrote:  For an atheist, "In god we trust" has no meaning. Personally, I ignore it; others get upset about it. Last I heard, 85% of Americans believe in some sort of God, but our Constitution protects everyone, no matter their faith or lack of faith.

BTW, Christian Americans believe in the "Jewish" god the same way that Muslim Americans, and all Muslims for that matter, believe in the "Jewish" god.

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01-08-2016, 10:18 AM
RE: A dilemma: How an American could be a real atheist?
(01-08-2016 07:53 AM)KerimF Wrote:  Off topic:
I got -2 so far as reputation.
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01-08-2016, 10:36 AM
RE: A dilemma: How an American could be a real atheist?
(01-08-2016 08:25 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  What does phony paper money have to do with anything? Americans mainly go around swipping little chips of plastic to exchange trade these days

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My pension is paid in dollars by the US government, but I haven't seen one in a couple of years. I live in the Dominican Republic and I withdraw pesos out of the magic money machines at the local grocery store. No dollars for me.
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