A dilemma: How an American could be a real atheist?
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02-08-2016, 02:37 PM
RE: A dilemma: How an American could be a real atheist?
(01-08-2016 08:31 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  
(01-08-2016 07:53 AM)KerimF Wrote:  Off topic:
I got -2 so far as reputation.
May I ask, at which negative value, a moderator should ban me?

Thank you.

Looking to set a record???

Big Grin

play by the rules - and you're fine...

This is the point... whose rules?! Huh
I mean... the rules of which god?... not necessarily a supernatural one Big Grin

Once, I presented the possible meanings of "Freedom" as seen by the various and different persons I had the chance knowing in my life. It happened that discussing the word "Freedom" was against the rules of the American forum I joined. So I was banned for not playing by the rules Big Grin

Also in an American Christian forum, I started a thread about when a person could be seen as a real rich man (in general). Soon later, I found my self thrown out by a moderator, likely a rich one Big Grin

I hope you got now... my point Rolleyes

Kerim

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Sheep for milk live in peace because it is the will of their rich owners.
Dogs obeying rich masters deserve much better food and shelters than free dogs do.
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02-08-2016, 02:39 PM
RE: A dilemma: How an American could be a real atheist?
(02-08-2016 02:37 PM)KerimF Wrote:  This is the point... whose rules?! Huh
I mean... the rules of which god?... not necessarily a supernatural one Big Grin

SLACK! ... bitch

There is only one really serious philosophical question, and that is suicide. -Camus
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02-08-2016, 02:49 PM
RE: A dilemma: How an American could be a real atheist?
(01-08-2016 08:33 AM)Dark Wanderer Wrote:  they could print "long live zeus" on our money and i wouldn't give a shit. as long as i can exchange it for food and booze i really couldn't care less.

You do well.

But on the other hand, a banknote is based on trust, and you are a wise atheist (sorry, if you are not atheist) for trusting even the banknotes made by theists... blessed by God Wink

Facts that don't need evidences:
Sheep for milk live in peace because it is the will of their rich owners.
Dogs obeying rich masters deserve much better food and shelters than free dogs do.
Whoever has ears will hear.
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02-08-2016, 02:53 PM
RE: A dilemma: How an American could be a real atheist?
(01-08-2016 08:33 AM)Dark Wanderer Wrote:  they could print "long live zeus" on our money and i wouldn't give a shit. as long as i can exchange it for food and booze i really couldn't care less.

You do well.

But on the other hand, a banknote is based on trust, and you are a wise atheist (sorry, if you are not) for trusting even the banknotes made by theists... blessed by God Wink

Facts that don't need evidences:
Sheep for milk live in peace because it is the will of their rich owners.
Dogs obeying rich masters deserve much better food and shelters than free dogs do.
Whoever has ears will hear.
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02-08-2016, 03:02 PM
RE: A dilemma: How an American could be a real atheist?
Sorry for the duplicate post... my internet now is very very slow!

Facts that don't need evidences:
Sheep for milk live in peace because it is the will of their rich owners.
Dogs obeying rich masters deserve much better food and shelters than free dogs do.
Whoever has ears will hear.
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02-08-2016, 03:06 PM
RE: A dilemma: How an American could be a real atheist?
(02-08-2016 02:39 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(02-08-2016 02:37 PM)KerimF Wrote:  This is the point... whose rules?! Huh
I mean... the rules of which god?... not necessarily a supernatural one Big Grin

SLACK! ... bitch

Thank you for confirming my point in one word and a half Tongue

Facts that don't need evidences:
Sheep for milk live in peace because it is the will of their rich owners.
Dogs obeying rich masters deserve much better food and shelters than free dogs do.
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02-08-2016, 03:21 PM
RE: A dilemma: How an American could be a real atheist?
(02-08-2016 02:53 PM)KerimF Wrote:  
(01-08-2016 08:33 AM)Dark Wanderer Wrote:  they could print "long live zeus" on our money and i wouldn't give a shit. as long as i can exchange it for food and booze i really couldn't care less.

You do well.

But on the other hand, a banknote is based on trust, and you are a wise atheist (sorry, if you are not) for trusting even the banknotes made by theists... blessed by God Wink

Our currency Motto, as they have pointed out to you, is the result of anti-communist fervor during the dark "Red Scare" years of the mid-1950s.

It's actually borrowed from a line in the final verse of "The Star-Spangled Banner" (our national anthem), where it says, "...and this be our motto: in God is our trust.", a statement that simply means the soldiers (or the poet speaking for them) are placing their trust in God to win the battle because their cause is righteous. It wasn't a declaration of national religion until the Knights of Columbus (a Catholic organization) petitioned the US congress in the mid-50s to make a showing that they weren't "damned commies!", which no one dared to defy during those years, lest they, too, be labeled a communist and/or lose their elected position.

Our old Motto is "E Pluribus Unum", or "out of many, one", in Latin. This is a sentiment to which we need to return, as fractured as our nation has become-- largely due to the religious tide which has surged as the generation born in those crazy 1950s has come of age to be in power. It's coming... the younger generations are ever more secular, and we're getting tired of the old people's judgmental religious bullshit.

"Theology made no provision for evolution. The biblical authors had missed the most important revelation of all! Could it be that they were not really privy to the thoughts of God?" - E. O. Wilson
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02-08-2016, 03:31 PM
RE: A dilemma: How an American could be a real atheist?
(01-08-2016 09:24 AM)Reltzik Wrote:  
(01-08-2016 07:53 AM)KerimF Wrote:  Off topic:
I got -2 so far as reputation.
May I ask, at which negative value, a moderator should ban me?

Thank you.

This site doesn't ban you for excessive negative rep.

You can pretty much only get banned for violating forum rules, which are, in short, no spamming, no setting up second accounts to create the impression that you're a new poster, don't post/link porn, nudity, or promotions of pedophilia, no threats extending beyond the forum, no malicious disruption of the forum, and follow the rules of specific forums that have specific codes of conduct (these will have borders/backgrounds of a color other than grey; the Atheism and Theism forum does not have any special rules).

Thank you for your detailed reply.

You may like reading my humble remark on post #61.

For instance, I recall a question which is usually asked in a realm controlled by rules: "Who watch the watchers?" Big Grin
I am afraid that, in real life, right and wrong are defined by... you know Wink
But it is okay if you don't know Big Grin

Facts that don't need evidences:
Sheep for milk live in peace because it is the will of their rich owners.
Dogs obeying rich masters deserve much better food and shelters than free dogs do.
Whoever has ears will hear.
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02-08-2016, 03:40 PM
RE: A dilemma: How an American could be a real atheist?
(01-08-2016 09:45 AM)Deesse23 Wrote:  Aaaaand another 4 pages of incoherent blabber. Facepalm

Quote:The unwanted men in Europe, innocent or guilty, were exiled to live behind the Atlantic, in America
Facepalm

How absurd can it get? Gasp
Stop, dont tell me! Weeping

Oh sorry Blush

I guess you expected reading something like:

Quote:The 'wanted' men in Europe, innocent or guilty, were exiled to live behind the Atlantic, in America

right? Rolleyes

Facts that don't need evidences:
Sheep for milk live in peace because it is the will of their rich owners.
Dogs obeying rich masters deserve much better food and shelters than free dogs do.
Whoever has ears will hear.
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02-08-2016, 10:34 PM
RE: A dilemma: How an American could be a real atheist?
KerimF, we have no gods. We have no masters. It's pretty much part of our credo, if we had such a thing.

We won't ban you unless you're spammy (post waaaaaaay too much stuff for no reason other than to promote something like a website/book/etc., or simply grow so repetitive that there's nothing you're adding to the forum except walls of text that have already been posted), or if you defy the moderators after they point a rule out to you by which we all must abide-- and even here, there's usually quite a bit of leeway. The only other way to get banned is to be a "sock" (new/fake) account from a previously-banned poster. That's it.

We won't ban you for your ideas or thoughts. No one will ban you for your words unless you're threatening people or seriously abusing them verbally, which again is a rule we all must follow. As you will notice in other threads, exchanges can grow quite heated here, from time to time, and yet the posters are not banned. You will also notice, if you pay attention, that we have several quite-annoying religious members who remain here despite extremely negative Reputation numbers... and you'll also see religious members like Shai Hulud (he's Catholic), for instance, who have excellent reputations and are cherished members of this little community.

Of course, being free from the threat of being banned for your ideas doesn't make you free from ridicule, scorn, or contempt because of those ideas. That goes for every person here, all the time.

I know you come from a culture where it's possible to be harmed for your ideas, if they are "wrong ideas". This is not that culture, and that attitude defies everything we stand for. Our moderators are not gods of any sort- they are just regular members who have been asked to moderate (we usually turn down volunteers), and taken a duty upon themselves to help protect the group from abusers of some very simple rules, which are themselves as lenient as we can make them.

I challenge you to show me a religious forum where these are norm.

"Theology made no provision for evolution. The biblical authors had missed the most important revelation of all! Could it be that they were not really privy to the thoughts of God?" - E. O. Wilson
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