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25-08-2016, 02:02 AM
RE: A formal Christian does not believe his god can be perfect
(23-08-2016 07:12 AM)Aliza Wrote:  
(22-08-2016 10:53 PM)KerimF Wrote:  Sorry, It is my fault... Blush
I thought that most readers have the skill to read between lines. So I should be more careful in the future and remember that some human beings have to see and hear things in order to get them.

Kerim

Oh, but it's ultimately my fault for being 'unskilled'. I see. Well, because I'm slow, can you point to the part of your original post where you alluded to this subtle message? Just show me what it was that you said and why a reasonable person should have interpreted it differently.

Please, we are not in a fight here but if you insist we are... you won Thumbsup

Kerim

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Sheep for milk live in peace because it is the will of their rich owners.
Dogs obeying rich masters deserve much better food and shelters than free dogs do.
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25-08-2016, 02:24 AM
RE: A formal Christian does not believe his god can be perfect
(23-08-2016 08:00 AM)julep Wrote:  
(22-08-2016 10:44 PM)KerimF Wrote:  Sorry...
The today's Saudi was created right after WW1 (in which France and Britain were used to get rid of the Ottoman Empire).
The today's Israel was created right after the destruction of Europe by WW2 (in which the German Elite were used to put France and Britain out of the world's powers game, for good).
The today's ISIS was created after the withdrawal of the US army from Iraq (It was introduced first, with a great success, by sacrificing/massacring, horribly and in front of the entire world, a few thousands only of innocent civilians in NYC on 9/11/2001).

All three are actually military bases, controlled fully by their creators (most of their generations live in USA).

Right now, these three American military bases are working together in destroying one country after another in the Arab World for the glory of America.

And if we live to the next decade, we will also witness the re-destruction of Europe (with the total knowledge of the today's European Elite playing as Bush, junior... the naïve ignorant kids... about the millions of European kids who were already raised, since more than a decade but now in sleep mode, to play the terrorists in the American series "War on Terror").

I am not on one side against another (to me, people are victims in all sides and bases). I am just presenting the fruits (facts) of the wars and terror that happened during the last 125 years in the least and have all ended up to the same greatest beneficiary side (living in USA... but surely, not the majority of the American people).

Kerim

Called it.

You are kidding... right?
Do you really think that, since not less than 125 years in the least, the real world's top decision makers are naïve?

The world's masses are allowed to see their great actors only.

I mean...
Please don't tell me that the American troops went to Iraq to kill, steal, terrorize and divide the Iraqi people because Bush junior commanded them to invade and occupy Iraq in year 2003?

Please don't tell me that Al-Qaeda attacked, terrorized and destroyed every country (Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Yemen and Syria for a few) in which the White House discovered a dictator just because Obama urged the world to save its people (as Bush junior saved the Iraqi people)?

I didn't need seeing/knowing the makers of my computer to believe they exist.
I don't need seeing the maker of my being (the most complex powerful computer I have) to believe he/she/it exists.

Similarly, I don't need seeing the top producers and directors of the today's international endless series "War on Terror" (introduced with a great success on 9/11/2001) to believe they exist.

But it is not a crime if someone prefers not to think seriously about matters that are not related directly to his family/friends and work.

Kerim

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Sheep for milk live in peace because it is the will of their rich owners.
Dogs obeying rich masters deserve much better food and shelters than free dogs do.
Whoever has ears will hear.
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25-08-2016, 02:52 AM
RE: A formal Christian does not believe his god can be perfect
(23-08-2016 09:06 AM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  *Sigh*

And here we go again.....

(22-08-2016 10:44 PM)KerimF Wrote:  Sorry...
The today's Saudi was created right after WW1 (in which France and Britain were used to get rid of the Ottoman Empire).

No, this is not what happened. Please, ask forum members for good links to other history sites to learn some modern history and acquire a better perspective.

(22-08-2016 10:44 PM)KerimF Wrote:  The today's Israel was created right after the destruction of Europe by WW2 (in which the German Elite were used to put France and Britain out of the world's powers game, for good).

No, this is not what happened. Please, ask forum members for good links to other history sites to learn some modern history and acquire a better perspective.

(22-08-2016 10:44 PM)KerimF Wrote:  The today's ISIS was created after the withdrawal of the US army from Iraq (It was introduced first, with a great success, by sacrificing/massacring, horribly and in front of the entire world, a few thousands only of innocent civilians in NYC on 9/11/2001).

No, this is not what happened. Please, ask forum members for good links to other history sites to learn some modern history and acquire a better perspective.


(22-08-2016 10:44 PM)KerimF Wrote:  All three are actually military bases, controlled fully by their creators (most of their generations live in USA).

Right now, these three American military bases are working together in destroying one country after another in the Arab World for the glory of America.

You are again simply throwing weird ideas onto other people. There are and have been posters replying to you ion this very forum who are posting FROM the country that you are demonizing.

I'm sorry, but I feel the need to highlight part of that last bit:

There are and have been posters replying to you on this very forum who are posting FROM the country(s) that you are demonizing.


(22-08-2016 10:44 PM)KerimF Wrote:  And if we live to the next decade, we will also witness the re-destruction of Europe (with the total knowledge of the today's European Elite playing as Bush, junior... the naïve ignorant kids... about the millions of European kids who were already raised, since more than a decade but now in sleep mode, to play the terrorists in the American series "War on Terror").

*Sigh* More strange ramblings and again I point out that;


There are and have been posters replying to you ion this very forum who are posting FROM the country(s) that you are demonizing.


Who constantly disagree with you as well as point out where you are wrong.

(22-08-2016 10:44 PM)KerimF Wrote:  I am not on one side against another (to me, people are victims in all sides and bases). I am just presenting the fruits (facts) of the wars and terror that happened during the last 125 years in the least and have all ended up to the same greatest beneficiary side (living in USA... but surely, not the majority of the American people).

Kerim

No. No

Sadly your posts simply constantly show how little knowledge you have of the world outside of your own. Sad

Hug Again I wish you well and can but hope that things calm and settle and get better in your part of the world.

I am calm but it seems you prefer hiding what you know/believe as being real and true. Do I scare you? Big Grin I mean it seems to me that you like avoiding my comments in case you decide telling me clearly and directly what you have in mind about a certain subject.

On my side...
Do I give any link or quote from outside the forum? It will be a great shame if I do it.

Don't I present the end fruits of some important events without the need to judge anyone? After all, who am I to judge anyone on earth? I am just one of the powerless people in the world.
By the way, I also discovered that even my Creator (surely not one of the many ruling gods offered on the world's table) doesn't judge me or any other Wink

Anyway, you can be sure I like hearing from those who oppose my thoughts more than those who accept them.

Kerim

Facts that don't need evidences:
Sheep for milk live in peace because it is the will of their rich owners.
Dogs obeying rich masters deserve much better food and shelters than free dogs do.
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25-08-2016, 03:14 AM
RE: A formal Christian does not believe his god can be perfect
First, and I truly mean thins, congratulations KerimF on getting better with your English!

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Hug

Now, onto the other bits.

(25-08-2016 12:43 AM)KerimF Wrote:  If I understood you well, a real atheist is a person who believes whatever his personal reasoning approves.

No No, simply no. Others have explained the definition of 'Atheist' to you before, I know I've read them. That you keep missing said explanations is possibly because of your poor grasp of English... or maybe something else. Time will tell out.

(25-08-2016 12:43 AM)KerimF Wrote:  Otherwise, an atheist should also have his wise men (for example, scientists/scholars approved by a well known organization in the least) and his holy articles that are written by his trusted thinkers also working for (or supervised by) a well known agency or system.

No Again, no simply no. Others have explained the definition of 'Atheist' to you before, I know I've read them. What you keep posting/talking about is wrong as in 'Not right/factual'

(25-08-2016 12:43 AM)KerimF Wrote:  About his periodic gatherings and ceremonies, he likely attends the free democratic elections/polls that lead to 50.1% which is equivalent to 99.9%; both results are actually non-realistic (man-made).

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Really? Really and honestly is this the weird/strange idea/view you have of what a 'Democracy' is? Given the place in the world from which you say you hail the above statement shows a lot about the mistreatment you've been receiving from those standing over you with guns. Sad

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(25-08-2016 12:43 AM)KerimF Wrote:  Finally, do you mean that all atheists have no flag for which they are ready to risk their life and even die?

Blink Dafaq? Again no. I can only hazard a guess that this is some strange overflow from your democracy statement above. People have repeatedly given you explanations about/for atheism.

Heck... please post a simple, one or two line question which shows your understanding of the word 'Atheist' so that we can point out the glaring error in it. Because all your postings above show nothing else but wrongess.

(25-08-2016 12:43 AM)KerimF Wrote:  On my side, I have no man who is wiser than me; at best, a man could be as wise as I am Wink
I have doubts about the information given by 'any' reference said scientific or else Wink So I can't accept and add an idea (which should be useful in my life) to my set of knowledge till it passes the processes of my logical reasoning.

*Sigh* However, I bet when you call a plumber to fix a tap you trust them. Or a mechanic to fix your car? Why trust one type of specialist and not another?

Personally, Me, trust a scientist who is talking about the field in which they are proficient. When Laurence Krauss talks about Physics, I listen and try and learn. When Niel DeGrass Tyson talks about astrophysics, I try and learn. When Richard Dawkins talks about biology I listen and try to learn.

Now, here is the IMPORTANT bit.

When ANY of those above talk about ANYthing else? I think about it... evaluate it compared to what (little) I know of the world and then either agree with it or reject it. BUT I do not think on it with the same gravity as if/when they are expounding upon things in their field of expertise.

I do, sincerely, hope you understand at least this small part of my reply.

(25-08-2016 01:05 AM)KerimF Wrote:  
(23-08-2016 01:50 AM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  ... Peebo- wrote stuff....


Thank you for the advice.
But I am sorry, I can't say things just to please others (I have many if I want to Wink ).

And again part of the terrible place in which you live comes across.

I seriously doubt anyone here has done what you say to you as what you've doing, what you've said above.

ALL my posts to you have been of advice and help.

(25-08-2016 01:05 AM)KerimF Wrote:  By the way, don't you know that telling, in front of the entire world, the whole truth of some important natural rules is a serious crime for which the teller deserves even the penalty of death in the name of Justice (said of god or men)?

Seriously? You are in fear of death for posting anonymously on an international forum? Shocking

F*CK where you live! F*ck it to heck and back! Get out of there if you can! take up, I think it was, Deese23's offer of room and board in Germany for fek's sake!

(25-08-2016 01:05 AM)KerimF Wrote:  On the other hand, should you gain anything from what I write Wink
Please don't tell me you don't know already everything you are interested in about life and the world.

STOP TELLING OTHER PEOPLE WHAT YOU THINK THEY ARE THINKING!

You are doing it wrong!

Please, please infinite please just try simple, short sentences in English. Single sentences or two and then await replies. Post questions to see if you understand the replies. Then move on from there slowly.
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25-08-2016, 03:20 AM
RE: A formal Christian does not believe his god can be perfect
I know I'm replying very quickly and before KerimF may have had time to read my previous reply but.......

(25-08-2016 02:52 AM)KerimF Wrote:  I am calm but it seems you prefer hiding what you know/believe as being real and true. Do I scare you? Big Grin I mean it seems to me that you like avoiding my comments in case you decide telling me clearly and directly what you have in mind about a certain subject.

Frusty

For F*CK's sake.

That you are NOT understanding the words I am posting. That you are NOT understanding the words I am posting REPEATEDLY.

Frusty

Please! Would a second poster like to show me where I am being obtuse? Please point out where I am being evasive. Please point out where I might be going wrong with MY use of the language.

Sadcryface


(25-08-2016 02:52 AM)KerimF Wrote:  On my side...
Do I give any link or quote from outside the forum? It will be a great shame if I do it.

Don't I present the end fruits of some important events without the need to judge anyone? After all, who am I to judge anyone on earth? I am just one of the powerless people in the world.
By the way, I also discovered that even my Creator (surely not one of the many ruling gods offered on the world's table) doesn't judge me or any other Wink

Anyway, you can be sure I like hearing from those who oppose my thoughts more than those who accept them.

Kerim

Again! This above post? It makes no sense. I can not, in honesty, say I fully understand the meaning that may lie behind the letters posted above.

Frusty
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25-08-2016, 03:40 AM (This post was last modified: 25-08-2016 03:46 AM by KerimF.)
RE: A formal Christian does not believe his god can be perfect
(23-08-2016 11:02 AM)Deltabravo Wrote:  
(23-08-2016 04:16 AM)Anjele Wrote:  You might want to read that and apply it to yourself.

Just keep reading what Kerim posts and you'll see the workings of an Islamified mind.

Sorry, I didn't read yet what comes next.

It seems you didn't read ALL my posts. Otherwise, you would know (as all Muslim Syrians I lived and worked with do) that Islam, to me in the least, is just another man-made system but its constitution (Al-Sharia) was claimed being inspired by a certain god (called Allah, and by which Mohammad Al-Kurashi was able to take over the power that was on the hands of the elders of his ruling tribe 'Kuraish').

In the past, Muslims invaded and occupied (and/or controlled) other peoples (mainly the Arab ones, since their Allah knows the Arabic language only; actually its ancient version). They were doing their wars in the name of Allah's Peace. Now, the world is evolved and the American Elite are invading (as pre-emptive wars), destroying and controlling other's lands in the name of the American Freedom and Democracy (fortunately not in the name of any god).

The irony is that Judaism and Islam are now the best tools by which the American Evangelists on power can attack any country after they had to sacrifice/massacre first (by a Hollywood perfect crime committed in front of the entire world) a few thousands of Americans in NYC on 9/11/2001.
Right now (after about 15 years), the CIA terrorist Islamists (with their Al-Qaeda flags) are attacking my city Aleppo (they were sent to it from too many countries since summer 2012). These 'anti-USA' terrorists were told that the many millions who are living in Aleppo city are Americans not Syrians... or what Consider

As you see, things of the past didn't change. Only the name of the war's idols did Consider

Kerim

Facts that don't need evidences:
Sheep for milk live in peace because it is the will of their rich owners.
Dogs obeying rich masters deserve much better food and shelters than free dogs do.
Whoever has ears will hear.
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25-08-2016, 03:46 AM
RE: A formal Christian does not believe his god can be perfect
(25-08-2016 03:40 AM)KerimF Wrote:  Now, the world is evolved and the American Elite are invading (as pre-emptive wars), destroying and controlling other's lands in the name of the American Freedom and Democracy (fortunately not in the name of any god).

The irony is that Judaism and Islam are now the best tools by which the American Evangelists on power can attack any country after they had to sacrifice/massacre first (by a Hollywood perfect crime committed in front of the entire world) a few thousands of Americans in NYC on 9/11/2001. Right now (after about 15 years), the CIA terrorist Islamists (with their Al-Qaeda flags) are attacking my city Aleppo (they were sent to it from too many countries since summer 2012). These anti-USA terrorists were told that the many millions who are living in Aleppo city are Americans not Syrians!

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NO! No

There are people posting to you on this forum who LIVE in the very countries you are demonizing.

You are doing it wrong!

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25-08-2016, 03:59 AM
RE: A formal Christian does not believe his god can be perfect
(25-08-2016 03:14 AM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  
(25-08-2016 12:43 AM)KerimF Wrote:  If I understood you well, a real atheist is a person who believes whatever his personal reasoning approves.

No No, simply no. Others have explained the definition of 'Atheist' to you before, I know I've read them. That you keep missing said explanations is possibly because of your poor grasp of English... or maybe something else. Time will tell out.

I knew it is NO. But I liked hearing it clearly from him not you Big Grin

Facts that don't need evidences:
Sheep for milk live in peace because it is the will of their rich owners.
Dogs obeying rich masters deserve much better food and shelters than free dogs do.
Whoever has ears will hear.
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25-08-2016, 04:01 AM
RE: A formal Christian does not believe his god can be perfect
(25-08-2016 03:59 AM)KerimF Wrote:  
(25-08-2016 03:14 AM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  No No, simply no. Others have explained the definition of 'Atheist' to you before, I know I've read them. That you keep missing said explanations is possibly because of your poor grasp of English... or maybe something else. Time will tell out.

I knew it is NO. But I liked hearing it clearly from him not you Big Grin

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If you're going to actually then be an obnoxious pr1ck.... ?

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25-08-2016, 04:11 AM
RE: A formal Christian does not believe his god can be perfect
(25-08-2016 03:14 AM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  
(25-08-2016 12:43 AM)KerimF Wrote:  Otherwise, an atheist should also have his wise men (for example, scientists/scholars approved by a well known organization in the least) and his holy articles that are written by his trusted thinkers also working for (or supervised by) a well known agency or system.

No Again, no simply no. Others have explained the definition of 'Atheist' to you before, I know I've read them. What you keep posting/talking about is wrong as in 'Not right/factual'

So let us wait a brave atheist Wink who will explain us, using his own words, the good version... as in 'right/factual' Big Grin

Facts that don't need evidences:
Sheep for milk live in peace because it is the will of their rich owners.
Dogs obeying rich masters deserve much better food and shelters than free dogs do.
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