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22-12-2012, 11:47 AM
RE: A modest proposal for gun control
(22-12-2012 11:00 AM)Logica Humano Wrote:  
(21-12-2012 08:18 AM)Chas Wrote:  There was no challenge to individual ownership prior to that time - it was understood by most to be individual. It was the anti-gun forces that required the Supreme Court to interpret.

The amendments use the word 'people' to mean individuals. Look at the other amendments.
The wording of the amendment is extremely vague, making the law elastic for future interpretation. I see a clause that says "Since militias are a necessity, allow people who are part of the militia to have firearms" and not, "Let everyfuck have firearms".
History and the Supreme Court disagree with you.

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22-12-2012, 11:49 AM
RE: A modest proposal for gun control
(22-12-2012 11:22 AM)Logica Humano Wrote:  My modest proposal:
  • Concealed weaponry is forbidden.
  • Weapons on federal property are forbidden.
  • Gun shows are forbidden.
  • The unlicensed, unauthorized, and/or online sale of ammunition is forbidden.
  • Depending on the type, size, and variant of the firearm, a reasonable limit on ammunition is required.
  • Once ammunition is discharged, spent casings must be returned to the the manufacturer.
  • When a firearm is used, the citizen is required to file a report and to attend a firearm safety seminar.
  • An annual week-long firearm safety class is required.
  • A single weapon may only be registered to a single family.
  • The weapon may not be more than a 5mm handgun.
  • The weapon's magazine size may not contain more than 17 rounds.
  • The federal police will monitor ammunition purchases (quantity and caliber will be logged), much like they monitor fertilizer purchases.
  • The weapon may not be semi or fully automatic.
  • The weapon may not be a shotgun or rifle.
  • The firearm must be registered by the local, state, and federal police.
  • You may not have a history of mental illness.
  • You must have a filed psychiatric evaluation before legal possession of a firearm.
  • The firearm must be locked inside a bullet-proof case.
  • The police must check annually for the possession of the firearm.
  • Justification is required for the possession of a firearm.
  • Weapons tax, ammunition tax, and discharge tax are mandatory, no exceptions based on income or economic class.
  • Personal transfer of firearms is forbidden.
  • Weapons may not be inherited via legal will. Upon the owners death, the firearm will be confiscated by state police.
  • If the weapon is found in the possession of another individual, with unlawful transfer, both the owner and perpetrator will be sentenced for an appropriate time in federal prison.
  • Hunting rifles must be rented at a designated hunting area, both the spent casings and the weapon are to be returned (issued casings will be counted).
  • An annual psychiatric evaluation must be submitted.
Modest? I think not.

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22-12-2012, 11:50 AM
RE: A modest proposal for gun control
(22-12-2012 11:15 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  Just throwing it out there that the US will not suddenly implode because people have tighter restriction on firearms.

Every other country in the world is surviving just fine without such liberal gun laws.

Plus my last post.


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Oh, did you mean just in this thread?

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22-12-2012, 12:03 PM (This post was last modified: 22-12-2012 12:06 PM by Logica Humano.)
RE: A modest proposal for gun control
(22-12-2012 11:49 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(22-12-2012 11:22 AM)Logica Humano Wrote:  My modest proposal:
  • Concealed weaponry is forbidden.
  • Weapons on federal property are forbidden.
  • Gun shows are forbidden.
  • The unlicensed, unauthorized, and/or online sale of ammunition is forbidden.
  • Depending on the type, size, and variant of the firearm, a reasonable limit on ammunition is required.
  • Once ammunition is discharged, spent casings must be returned to the the manufacturer.
  • When a firearm is used, the citizen is required to file a report and to attend a firearm safety seminar.
  • An annual week-long firearm safety class is required.
  • A single weapon may only be registered to a single family.
  • The weapon may not be more than a 5mm handgun.
  • The weapon's magazine size may not contain more than 17 rounds.
  • The federal police will monitor ammunition purchases (quantity and caliber will be logged), much like they monitor fertilizer purchases.
  • The weapon may not be semi or fully automatic.
  • The weapon may not be a shotgun or rifle.
  • The firearm must be registered by the local, state, and federal police.
  • You may not have a history of mental illness.
  • You must have a filed psychiatric evaluation before legal possession of a firearm.
  • The firearm must be locked inside a bullet-proof case.
  • The police must check annually for the possession of the firearm.
  • Justification is required for the possession of a firearm.
  • Weapons tax, ammunition tax, and discharge tax are mandatory, no exceptions based on income or economic class.
  • Personal transfer of firearms is forbidden.
  • Weapons may not be inherited via legal will. Upon the owners death, the firearm will be confiscated by state police.
  • If the weapon is found in the possession of another individual, with unlawful transfer, both the owner and perpetrator will be sentenced for an appropriate time in federal prison.
  • Hunting rifles must be rented at a designated hunting area, both the spent casings and the weapon are to be returned (issued casings will be counted).
  • An annual psychiatric evaluation must be submitted.
Modest? I think not.
Modest and reasonable? I think yes. If you disagree with this proposition, you and I have nothing more to discuss on this topic.

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22-12-2012, 06:27 PM
RE: A modest proposal for gun control
(22-12-2012 11:50 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(22-12-2012 11:15 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  Just throwing it out there that the US will not suddenly implode because people have tighter restriction on firearms.

Every other country in the world is surviving just fine without such liberal gun laws.

Plus my last post.


We'll miss you.


Oh, did you mean just in this thread?
huh?

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22-12-2012, 06:28 PM
RE: A modest proposal for gun control
(22-12-2012 06:27 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  huh?
I think Chas was referring to this part of your post:

(22-12-2012 11:15 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  Plus my last post.

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22-12-2012, 06:31 PM
RE: A modest proposal for gun control
(22-12-2012 06:28 PM)Vosur Wrote:  
(22-12-2012 06:27 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  huh?
I think Chas was referring to this part of your post:

(22-12-2012 11:15 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  Plus my last post.
oh lol.

silly Chas.

Plus my last post meaning that post '+' my previous post before it which you didn't answer.

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22-12-2012, 06:36 PM
RE: A modest proposal for gun control
(22-12-2012 11:15 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  Just throwing it out there that the US will not suddenly implode because people have tighter restriction on firearms.

Every other country in the world is surviving just fine without such liberal gun laws.
What? Scotland is a war zone, man! Oh wait, no it isn't... I haven't even seen a gun, other than on a farm... and I physically know no one who has ever been confronted by someone with one. I've had a knife pulled on me before though. If it was a gun, then I'd probably be dead.

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22-12-2012, 06:36 PM
RE: A modest proposal for gun control
(22-12-2012 06:31 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  
(22-12-2012 06:28 PM)Vosur Wrote:  I think Chas was referring to this part of your post:
oh lol.

silly Chas.

Plus my last post meaning that post '+' my previous post before it which you didn't answer.


I'm such a silly. Tongue


What didn't I answer?

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22-12-2012, 06:43 PM
RE: A modest proposal for gun control
(22-12-2012 06:36 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(22-12-2012 06:31 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  oh lol.

silly Chas.

Plus my last post meaning that post '+' my previous post before it which you didn't answer.


I'm such a silly. Tongue


What didn't I answer?

You were saying about how it is people's individual rights (when really it's not, it's like driving a car, it's a privilege not a right) to own guns.

I said, what about the individual rights of the 20 children that were killed to be in a safe environment?

When did gun "rights" supersede a core basic human rights of safety?

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