A petition to end military discrimination against the non-religious
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16-09-2012, 11:25 PM
A petition to end military discrimination against the non-religious
Don't normally go for the whole petition thing since ninety nine times out of a hundred it's pissing in the wind, especially during an election year, but hey.



Quote:End the Military’s Discrimination against Non-Religious Service Members

The US military fails to provide Equal Opportunity for non-religious service members.

We are forced to participate in religious rituals during official ceremonies. This is not free exercise, this is forced exercise. Worship belongs in voluntary services, not in mandatory formations. This is unconstitutional establishment of an official preference for religion over non-religion.

We are forced to take an unconstitutional religious test for “Spiritual Fitness”. Those who fail the test are forced to take remedial training instructing them to go to church and pray. This proselytization by the US military is forced onto us against our will.

These policies create a hostile environment, division, and resentment within the military, destroying morale and threatening national security.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitio...s/jcfr6fWt

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18-09-2012, 02:21 PM
RE: A petition to end military discrimination against the non-religious
Good grief, get over it. All you have to is bow your head for a few seconds, it's more out of respect than forcing you to worship. Religious people get butt hurt about this kind of stuff all the time, but guess what? I couldn't care less. When they start trying to make me sing 'Jesus Loves Me' then I will sign the petition.

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18-09-2012, 02:31 PM
RE: A petition to end military discrimination against the non-religious
(18-09-2012 02:21 PM)Dark Light Wrote:  Good grief, get over it. All you have to is bow your head for a few seconds, it's more out of respect than forcing you to worship. Religious people get butt hurt about this kind of stuff all the time, but guess what? I couldn't care less. When they start trying to make me sing 'Jesus Loves Me' then I will sign the petition.

Sing Jesus Loves Me. Oh, wait. Them them, not me.

Silliness aside, doesn't military ritual at funerals outweigh religious ritual? They're louder, too.

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18-09-2012, 02:40 PM
RE: A petition to end military discrimination against the non-religious
(16-09-2012 11:25 PM)Phaedrus Wrote:  Don't normally go for the whole petition thing since ninety nine times out of a hundred it's pissing in the wind, especially during an election year, but hey.



Quote:End the Military’s Discrimination against Non-Religious Service Members

The US military fails to provide Equal Opportunity for non-religious service members.

We are forced to participate in religious rituals during official ceremonies. This is not free exercise, this is forced exercise. Worship belongs in voluntary services, not in mandatory formations. This is unconstitutional establishment of an official preference for religion over non-religion.

We are forced to take an unconstitutional religious test for “Spiritual Fitness”. Those who fail the test are forced to take remedial training instructing them to go to church and pray. This proselytization by the US military is forced onto us against our will.

These policies create a hostile environment, division, and resentment within the military, destroying morale and threatening national security.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitio...s/jcfr6fWt

Discrimination is rampant in the military with respect to religion. The people that are supposed to be protecting our rights, are trampling them, regularly. They need to be dragged, kicking and screaming, into the 21st Century.
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18-09-2012, 06:28 PM
RE: A petition to end military discrimination against the non-religious
(18-09-2012 02:40 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Discrimination is rampant in the military with respect to religion.

I never experienced a lick of discrimination for being an open atheist in the USN back in the early 80's. They didn't give a shit about my metaphysics, all they cared about was how well I was doing my job. Always got great ratings from my raters whether they were religimous or not. ... Can't say if things have changed in the last 3 decades.

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19-09-2012, 01:18 PM
RE: A petition to end military discrimination against the non-religious
(18-09-2012 06:28 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(18-09-2012 02:40 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Discrimination is rampant in the military with respect to religion.

I never experienced a lick of discrimination for being an open atheist in the USN back in the early 80's. They didn't give a shit about my metaphysics, all they cared about was how well I was doing my job. Always got great ratings from my raters whether they were religimous or not. ... Can't say if things have changed in the last 3 decades.

I suspect that some people got higher evals than me from one of my dept heads because they followed his denomination, and went to his church after he invited everyone to attend. If I am right then I was discriminated against, but this isn't systematic discrimination, not much you can do about it. You will find that no matter where you go,

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19-09-2012, 01:27 PM
RE: A petition to end military discrimination against the non-religious
I read petition to end military... and thought commercialism.

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19-09-2012, 01:33 PM
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(16-09-2012 11:25 PM)Phaedrus Wrote:  Don't normally go for the whole petition thing since ninety nine times out of a hundred it's pissing in the wind [...]
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19-09-2012, 01:57 PM
RE: A petition to end military discrimination against the non-religious
(16-09-2012 11:25 PM)Phaedrus Wrote:  Don't normally go for the whole petition thing since ninety nine times out of a hundred it's pissing in the wind, especially during an election year, but hey.

I do it in hopes that the piss will hit the politicians' faces on the Hill.

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21-09-2012, 12:19 AM
RE: A petition to end military discrimination against the non-religious
I only read the original post so my apologies if this has already been said. I've been in the Air Force for almost 15 years. I couldn't even begin to count how many ceremonies and gatherings I've been to where the Chaplain opened the event with a prayer but I have never once felt like I was obligated to pray. I simply fold my hands in front of me, bow my head and show a little respect for the people who do want to pray. Regardless of how ridiculous I think their beliefs are, they have as much right to them as I do mine.

As far as pushing the spiritual fitness thing goes, I went through a tough time a few years back. Someone suggested that I go talk to the chaplain and I did. He asked me what religion I was, I told him Atheist and he took an appropriate tact towards counseling me. He never once suggested prayer or god, he simply helped me work through my issue. Spiritual fitness doesn't mean you have to believe in god. It just means they want you to believe in something and have an idea of what that thing is. If what you believe in is personal responsibility and that you only get one chance at life so you better make the most of it then that's spiritual fitness in my book.

CLIFFS:
- I've been in the Air Force 15 years.
- I've never felt like religion was forced on me
- They want you to be mentally fit as well as physically fit.
- They let me put Atheist on my dog tags
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