A political dilemma about Human Logic
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29-08-2016, 03:29 PM
RE: A political dilemma about Human Logic
(29-08-2016 02:51 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(29-08-2016 02:36 PM)KerimF Wrote:  Millions of people watch movies (sometimes more than once) while they know in advance they are about fictions and/or fantasies. They even pay for this...

I think they call it "suspension of disbelief" which seems to apply to Hollywood and religion equally. One is clearly intended to be temporary. The other, .... well not so much.

Sorry, but don't you think that religions were evolved to politics?
Both have the same main goal; controlling the masses while giving them continuous hope.
And both justify wars; for being holy in the name of a god, or (as on these days) for being pre-emptive in the name of Freedom and Democracy.

Kerim

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Sheep for milk live in peace because it is the will of their rich owners.
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29-08-2016, 03:41 PM
RE: A political dilemma about Human Logic
(28-08-2016 08:30 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(28-08-2016 02:33 PM)KerimF Wrote:  In fact, since no country/nation in the world dares even thinking to attack USA, the powerful/rich big bosses of some American corporations (ruling America behind their R & D actors, known as politicians) had no choice but sacrificing, to gain unlimited legitimate extra power and money, a few thousands of American citizens in NYC on 9/11/2001 (a sacrifice committed in daylight and as high as possible).

Wrong. The Republican bosses are horrified that the "big bosses" had no say in the nomination of Trump.

Quote:In brief, the only real conflict in the world, now and since always, is between the powerful/rich families anywhere on earth (supported by their top servants) and their men on bottom (civilians, troops and mercenaries).
But, on these days, the common masses in the world are classified in two main categories; sheep for milk and sheep to be slaughtered. Naturally, the worshipers of money deserve being among the sheep for milk, unless they show disobedience.

Wrong again, conspiracy breath. You're simply full of shit. The reason your family and friends stopped buying this crap when they moved to the US, is that they saw it's all bullshit.

Quote:Sorry, I know telling the truth may hurt some people but this is life since always, and no one can change it... at best, one can live it as it is till his last breath.

No need to be sorry. No one here buys your bullshit, and it has nothing whatever to do with truth. It's made up paranoid crap. Stop posting this sorry-ass shit.

Sorry, didn't you always live in USA?
I used getting such a kind reply from Americans mostly, mainly those who had the chance seeing outside America via their video monitors only.
Why they like doing that... God only knows. In other words, no one knows since God doesn't exist.Big Grin

Kerim

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Sheep for milk live in peace because it is the will of their rich owners.
Dogs obeying rich masters deserve much better food and shelters than free dogs do.
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29-08-2016, 03:55 PM
RE: A political dilemma about Human Logic
(29-08-2016 12:33 AM)Deesse23 Wrote:  
(28-08-2016 08:13 PM)Szuchow Wrote:  Only when/if he will be banned. Otherwise he will continue trying to enlighten poor peasants with his brand of Truth.

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Yeah, *selfmade truth*, aka, delusion. I wonder how people like this function in normal life. I wonder how his familiy and friends react when he starts with this bullshit, say...after dinner. Do they roll their eyes and change topic? Or maybe they already have excluded him from all familiy activity?

Anything is possible.

Then, you will be real surprised if you will come to Syria someday.
You will discover by yourself, as many independent Americans and Europeans did after visiting Syria before and during the war, that all what you were allowed to hear and see is far from reality.
Unfortunately, nothing can be done to resolve this remotely.

I mean you will keep complaining and I keep understanding Big Grin

Kerim

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Sheep for milk live in peace because it is the will of their rich owners.
Dogs obeying rich masters deserve much better food and shelters than free dogs do.
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29-08-2016, 04:02 PM
RE: A political dilemma about Human Logic
(29-08-2016 03:29 PM)KerimF Wrote:  Sorry, but don't you think that religions were evolved to politics?
Both have the same main goal; controlling the masses while giving them continuous hope.
Something like this? Consider

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I don't know if you're a fan of video games, but I think as far as the story goes, you'd like the one called Deus Ex. It's a series of sci-fi games set in an alternate universe where the Illuminati have existed as a group of intelligent, wealthy and influential men for centuries and control virtually all of the mainstream media. At some point in the 21st century they were forced to do exactly what you said, to find a way to control people using politics instead of religion because of the rapidly diminishing importance of the latter.

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29-08-2016, 04:20 PM
RE: A political dilemma about Human Logic
(29-08-2016 02:42 AM)Gloucester Wrote:  I hate 99.9% of our politicians and have little tine for the monarchy but still love my country. I would still fight for it and its people, and what freedoms we have, as best I can.

I am afraid this is followed by almost all common people in every country in the world and not in America only.

And this makes the men on power more powerful and richer everywhere Wink
For example, the brave American troops love their country and are always ready to fight for it and its people.
But at the same time they have, anytime they are commanded, to serve the agenda of some big bosses (the top decision makers; ruling behind their hired politicians, claimed elected or not).
What did the US army in Iraq?
Most of the American troops there, if not all, knew, sooner of later, that they were sent to risk their lives in Iraq not to protect the American or Iraqi people.
And how did they react? Nothing!
And how did the FREE American people react? They elected Bush junior for another term.
Sorry, because if this is Freedom, I wonder what slavery of minds could be Consider

Kerim

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Sheep for milk live in peace because it is the will of their rich owners.
Dogs obeying rich masters deserve much better food and shelters than free dogs do.
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29-08-2016, 04:25 PM
RE: A political dilemma about Human Logic
(29-08-2016 04:02 PM)Vosur Wrote:  
(29-08-2016 03:29 PM)KerimF Wrote:  Sorry, but don't you think that religions were evolved to politics?
Both have the same main goal; controlling the masses while giving them continuous hope.
Something like this? Consider

[Image: 3a6asVH.jpg]

I don't know if you're a fan of video games, but I think as far as the story goes, you'd like the one called Deus Ex. It's a series of sci-fi games set in an alternate universe where the Illuminati have existed as a group of intelligent, wealthy and influential men for centuries and control virtually all of the mainstream media. At some point in the 21st century they were forced to do exactly what you said, to find a way to control people using politics instead of religion because of the rapidly diminishing importance of the latter.

Oh... so I am not the first or the only one who noticed clearly this Sad Big Grin

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Sheep for milk live in peace because it is the will of their rich owners.
Dogs obeying rich masters deserve much better food and shelters than free dogs do.
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29-08-2016, 04:36 PM
RE: A political dilemma about Human Logic
(29-08-2016 03:13 AM)Vosur Wrote:  
(27-08-2016 06:35 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  You didn't get kvetched in your nightie like you were told, did you ?

(28-08-2016 02:51 PM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  Nope, you're so wrong it's not even worth the time to give you information to refute your post.

(29-08-2016 12:33 AM)Deesse23 Wrote:  I wonder how people like this function in normal life. I wonder how his familiy and friends react when he starts with this bullshit, say...after dinner. Do they roll their eyes and change topic? Or maybe they already have excluded him from all familiy activity?

This forum is such a great place to have a discussion. The guy is completely civil and polite and people still pile up on him like a bunch of schoolyard bullies to insult and ridicule him and to attack his character. Shame on all of you.

Thank you.

But, don't you think they also help making the discussion not boring.

On my side, as long people are happy by doing what they use to, I also feel good for giving them the chance to live... their happiness Smile This explains why they like following me Big Grin

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Sheep for milk live in peace because it is the will of their rich owners.
Dogs obeying rich masters deserve much better food and shelters than free dogs do.
Whoever has ears will hear.
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29-08-2016, 04:41 PM
RE: A political dilemma about Human Logic
(29-08-2016 05:59 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(29-08-2016 03:13 AM)Vosur Wrote:  This forum is such a great place to have a discussion. The guy is completely civil and polite and people still pile up on him like a bunch of schoolyard bullies to insult and ridicule him and to attack his character. Shame on all of you.

Civil and polite doesn't trump paranoid and delusional. Drinking Beverage

And insulting who has illusions is a sign of Civilization and Freedom... right? Drinking Beverage

Kerim

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Sheep for milk live in peace because it is the will of their rich owners.
Dogs obeying rich masters deserve much better food and shelters than free dogs do.
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29-08-2016, 04:53 PM
RE: A political dilemma about Human Logic
(29-08-2016 06:03 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(29-08-2016 03:13 AM)Vosur Wrote:  This forum is such a great place to have a discussion. The guy is completely civil and polite and people still pile up on him like a bunch of schoolyard bullies to insult and ridicule him and to attack his character. Shame on all of you.

Yes mother. (Actually shame on YOU, ... you clearly have read none of his posts, you Trumpster you Tongue Has the Donald gotten into your brain ? Do you wave your finger "al la Trump" when you shame people ? )
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This is TTA. Not "Come here and post your delusional BS".
You clearly have not ready his BS. He's not here to "have a discussion". He's here to tell us how the world works, as he is most certainly convinced that with absolutely NO EXPERIENCE of it, except in one war-torn place, and with no education, he knows allm there is to know about that. Point out one place he's indicated he's here to "have a discussion".

At least I say things clearly.
I wish you find me one place you presented what you think as being real and true (to you in the least) as I do... in order to correct my BS and/or illusions, as seen by you.

But, as usual, the easiest reply is to say: No... no... no... as nice kids do, anytime they fear saying more (other than insults of course).

Kerim

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Sheep for milk live in peace because it is the will of their rich owners.
Dogs obeying rich masters deserve much better food and shelters than free dogs do.
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29-08-2016, 05:23 PM
RE: A political dilemma about Human Logic
(29-08-2016 07:54 AM)Deesse23 Wrote:  He is not civil at all. He is polite, mostly, thats about it. Yet, he is also throwing out lots of (sometimes hidden) insults -in a passive agressive manner by the way-, but that doesnt bother me at all.

What bothes me is that he is ignorant, delusional, preaching, lying, talking past people, claiming to know what they think, and doing this in a patronizing manner.
What bothers me is that he is holding everybody here on to higher standards than himself, a disgusting trait. He keeps telling to know what is going on in other peoples countries while denying the same people to have an informed opinion about his country. Who is rude now?

It took me less than 10mins and just a hand ful of pages to compile this list of him being "civil".

Quote:I see every one I may meet as being more clever than I am... even if he plays before me the role of the dumbest idiot

Actually, the great majority in the world doesn’t mind believing any story made ... about a fact, if approved by their men on power (mainly in America)

I guess you are already happy in believing the story confirmed/approved ... by the "International Society". So where is the problem?

Could you tell me which one of the conspiracy theories you heard from me? *continues his conspiracy theories*

I bet no one told you that the people in Saudi Arabia are ruled by Al-Sharia of Al-Qaeda since more than 80 years. What do you think? Is it 80 smaller than 40?!

Please don't repeat as a tape recorder what your media, so-called free and independent, shows you on your monitors

First, please help me add your place on my list of the countries in which people never heard of the "International Society". Perhaps in these countries the concept of "New World Order" is familiar instead.

Well, it seems you had never enough time watching horror movies in which slaughtering victims, for example, look more real than if done in reality.

What bothers me is that he is not participating in any discussion. Discusisons are bi-directional. He however is just preaching. In the past few threads he was nothing but completely unresponsive to any inquiry from anyone, including Peebo who is amongst the most polite and patient persons on this board and finally gave up trying to talk sense into Kerim.

Maybe you have a somewhat short memory, but i have actually invited him to come to Germany to see what this country and its people are all about, so he may burst his bubble of ignorance. I was hoping that personal conversation would widen both our horizons. Was that rude? Yet that was before i realized that he is here only to repeat some weird conspiracy theories and tell us how our countries and their history are and -most important- what we think, over and over and over. He is a pontificating ignoramus. These are two facts, which is at least one fact more than you usually get from him in any of his posts.

Thats is the sort of behaviour i consider anything but civil, how about you? Do you think its civil to keep telling people constantly what they think, when they explicitly tell you in their replies that they think otherwise? This is not considered being civil where i come from. So who is bullying here in the first place?

Long story made short:
Content or tone. You may prefer the latter, i prefer the former.

I dont care how he says, but what he says, particularly how he backs up his claims. So far i havent seen him back up his claims with anything. He doesn teven try, and he is damn fucking proud of it. In fact i put quite some effort into compiling a list of all his claims in (probably his first long?) a thread together and asked him to back them up. Like usual he ignored me and kept on going spewing more conspiracy bullshit. So who is rude here? The one asking honest questions or the one just talking past anyone in the forum?

He is stating the same few facts over and over and then spins his weird conspiracies arond those. Thats all he does. If he is claiming that nazi Germany was manipulated/forced into attacking britain and France and refuses to back this claim up with anything, then i am calling him out for what he is: An idiot. You know why? Because it would be unfair to all the idiot neo-nazis who are making the same idiotic claims. I am just giving people equal treatment as they deserve.

Thats about it, im done with this bullshit in here.

You keep asking me to back my stories.
But I am not like you... You look for the truth as presented by some others who play before you and the world the trusted people... just because they are powerful and rich... hence have the means to reach every house.

I look for the truth from observing the consequences (the fruits) of events. So you can repeat a million times that Al-Qaeda is anti-America based on some videos about the 9/11 attacks. But these 9/11 attacks have justified many thousands of terrorist attacks against many millions of non-American civilians. So Al-Qaeda is not only created by the US System but it serves its agenda since its creation till our days. And its role on the scenario of 9/11 attacks is replacing, for good, 'Communism' with 'Terror of Islam'. The proof is that, while the CIA agents were supposed running after the terrorists since year 2001, the number of latters became now 1000 fold (if not more) and they got all the necessary training and hi-tech weapons (besides communication sets via satellite directly) to attack many countries (their civilians and national armies) since year 2010... surely not for the glory of Islam.

So keep asking me for backs and I keep reminding you that the truth cannot be found on the internet or the news.
But if anytime I say something not real to you, please correct me by providing me the real version as seen/accepted by you.

Kerim

Facts that don't need evidences:
Sheep for milk live in peace because it is the will of their rich owners.
Dogs obeying rich masters deserve much better food and shelters than free dogs do.
Whoever has ears will hear.
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