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03-05-2013, 10:51 AM
RE: A political prediction.
(03-05-2013 09:34 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  While I don't really disagree and welcome the idea....The biggest problem will be what the other side accomplishes with that power. If they do something completely inane...Then there will be a backlash.

I do wonder if years from now tho, we'll be thanking the tea party for driving the final nail in the conservative coffin?

Well I'm already thanking the tea party for starting the process of dismantling the conservative movement. However I'm not convinced in the least that the political alternative has the testicular fortitude to change the motivation of the powers that be to influence policy change for the good of the people. (I know that was a clusterfuck of a sentence)

Conservative vs liberal is a real debate in the minds of the public, which bodes perfectly well with the electorate. Unfortunately when it comes to real, viable action in policy there is no quantifiable change. The rhetoric is potent, and shifts in elected officials creates a placebo for the masses that gives a sense of victory for invented ideals, not for actual progress.

The entire system needs a complete overhaul, and I'm afraid there is too much already invested by those who run the system in order to influence real change.

(The only reason I made this post was to make myself feel smart by flexing my vocabulary, god I'm a dweeb)

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03-05-2013, 10:56 AM (This post was last modified: 03-05-2013 11:04 AM by Full Circle.)
RE: A political prediction.
(02-05-2013 09:54 PM)bbeljefe Wrote:  Probably so. And the murderous empire will still reign supreme until such time as the welfare state and the military industrial complex force the hands of the US empire's financiers and they call in the debt.

Once the empire begins its final fall, the largely democratic group of rulers will cut off social security, medicare, medicaid and all other welfare programs just in time to scrape the last remaining wealth from the carcass of the empire.

And with any luck, the violence, bigotry and hypocrisy that has become the hallmark of the US empire will be forever relegated to humanity's deep, dark, sinful past.

That's kinda poetic...troubling...but poetic.

It reminds me a bit of Twain's rants againt US Imperialism in the Phillipines at the turn of the 20th century.

*Edit - http://www.twainquotes.com/Philippines.html

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03-05-2013, 11:01 AM
RE: A political prediction.
(03-05-2013 10:51 AM)evenheathen Wrote:  Well I'm already thanking the tea party for starting the process of dismantling the conservative movement. However I'm not convinced in the least that the political alternative has the testicular fortitude to change the motivation of the powers that be to influence policy change for the good of the people. (I know that was a clusterfuck of a sentence)

But the delivery was exceptional Clap

(03-05-2013 10:51 AM)evenheathen Wrote:  (The only reason I made this post was to make myself feel smart by flexing my vocabulary, god I'm a dweeb)

I agree with the dweeb in the corner, A+

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03-05-2013, 07:24 PM (This post was last modified: 03-05-2013 11:26 PM by Carlo_The_Bugsmasher_Driver.)
RE: A political prediction.
(03-05-2013 09:34 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  While I don't really disagree and welcome the idea....The biggest problem will be what the other side accomplishes with that power. If they do something completely inane...Then there will be a backlash.

I do wonder if years from now tho, we'll be thanking the tea party for driving the final nail in the conservative coffin?

To answer those questions, yes, it is up to the democrats to remain more center of the road and not stray too far to the left. The biggest problems with the left wing are at they have an overprotective mother complex and never met a regulation which they didn't like (See the likes of Michael Bloomberg). But as bad as they are, they are nowhere near the sheer arrogance, stupidity, and obstructionism of the social conservatives who are doing everything they can to transform the US into a cross between Mayberry and a totalitarian theocracy all while leveling a baffling campaign against science, reason and progress. This is what's really taking them down. Think Louie Gohmert, Michelle Bachman, Sarah Palin, Paul Broun, Todd Akin, Richard Mourdoch. This is the terrifying idiocy which will bring about my predictions. And the right wing loves 'em. Just can't get enough.

The United States - the entire world for that matter - is at the cusp of a major global technological revolution which is about to expand at an exponential rate. By the time we here at the TTA breathe our last, we won't even recognize the world we leave behind. And all the religious right at this point is doing is being an annoying impedance to that progress. They offer no real solutions and their idea of political discourse doesn't rise much above Internet trolling. Their Bronze Age book of virtues is being eclipsed by a tidal wave of inventions and knowledge which has a proven track record of improving our lives. Natural selection has chosen the clear winner by what they deliver. The sooner social conservatives and the Tea Party are rendered irrelevant, the better off the human race will be.

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03-05-2013, 07:55 PM (This post was last modified: 03-05-2013 11:23 PM by Carlo_The_Bugsmasher_Driver.)
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That's not to say that conservatism doesn't have a place - there is. But it is going to be a conservatism which accepts the following

- Abortion will be legal in this country. Women will have the right to choose. If you believe in life, it is your choice to have the baby. You will NOT, however make women brood mares for the state.

- it will have to accept some forms of gun control. The exact limits will have to be hashed out but it cannot oppose any measure for arbitrary or capricious reasons

- it will not be a political philosophy solely for white male Christians with everyone else mere second class citizens. The former people will be welcome in the party, they just won't be allowed to dominate it. It will accept diversity. It will accept people of all faith or lack thereof. It will accept the LGBT community and affirm gay marriage.

- it will accept major reforms to America's immigration policy.

- it will end this asinine belligerence towards science, evolution, and global warming.

This leaves a lot of room for debate on subjects from foreign policy, to fiscal policy, education, health care, crime, drug legalization. Globalization, reforms of Wall Street, etc.

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03-05-2013, 08:30 PM
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(03-05-2013 07:55 PM)Carlo_The_Bugsmasher_Driver Wrote:  That's not to say that conservatism doesn't have a place - there is. But it is going to be a conservatism which accepts the following

If it wants to win elections.

I think the advent of the internet has much to do with what has been recently happening in both politics and religion. The dissemination of information and its ready access is quickly bringing down the intolerant and supertitious dogmas both of these hold.

Atheism is becoming more prevalent and this will change the face of politics in this country. It can't happen fast enough for me.

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03-05-2013, 08:36 PM
RE: A political prediction.
(03-05-2013 08:30 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  
(03-05-2013 07:55 PM)Carlo_The_Bugsmasher_Driver Wrote:  That's not to say that conservatism doesn't have a place - there is. But it is going to be a conservatism which accepts the following

If it wants to win elections.

I think the advent of the internet has much to do with what has been recently happening in both politics and religion. The dissemination of information and its ready access is quickly bringing down the intolerant and supertitious dogmas both of these hold.

Atheism is becoming more prevalent and this will change the face of politics in this country. It can't happen fast enough for me.

I think you are absolutely right. The question is that given the access to information, will the public use this available knowledge to actually force politicians to be more transparent with their policies?

Or will the reigning system prevail? You have to remember that just as much false information is disseminated as is true, and the general public has a bad history when it comes to rational decision making.

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03-05-2013, 08:56 PM
RE: A political prediction.
(03-05-2013 08:36 PM)evenheathen Wrote:  I think you are absolutely right. The question is that given the access to information, will the public use this available knowledge to actually force politicians to be more transparent with their policies?

Or will the reigning system prevail? You have to remember that just as much false information is disseminated as is true, and the general public has a bad history when it comes to rational decision making.

Your point is valid and the outcome remains to be seen. However based on the changes I see happening around me it seems to me truth and facts will win the day.

The skeptics on this forum give me hope that there are rational minds out there pushing back against bad policy, superstition, religious dogma and falsehoods.

As for politicians they will change their tune kicking and screaming, but in the end they will transform their platforms like chameleons (Romney and McCain come to mind as great examples, but they all do it) to garner the vote of their constituents. We just have to make ourselves heard and I think that's happening not just here but around the world thanks to social media and access to information.

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04-05-2013, 05:06 AM
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Sounds like divide and conquer to me. Just what this administration wants. For us to tear each other apart so they don't have to. To have any one party in control sounds a whole lot like communism to me. To tell people what they should believe and how they should live sounds like the same. Just sayin.

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04-05-2013, 08:02 AM
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(04-05-2013 05:06 AM)smidgen Wrote:  Sounds like divide and conquer to me. Just what this administration wants. For us to tear each other apart so they don't have to. To have any one party in control sounds a whole lot like communism to me. To tell people what they should believe and how they should live sounds like the same. Just sayin.

Both the left and the right want to tell people how they should live.

One side is fascist, the other socialist, both are totalitarian in their goals.

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