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23-03-2011, 05:32 PM
RE: Oh yeah, you really think you care about helping the poor - prove it!
(23-03-2011 04:16 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  I am absolutely positive that you, and every other person here believe the system is fractured. The difference between me and all of you is that I know what is wrong and have solution(s) - all of you have nothing but complaints about everyone else being messed up. If you had solutions you would be constructing a political agenda, because that is what politics is all about. Your argument that atheism is not political, and that you just want theists to smarten-up, is absurd, because that is a political agenda - you are guilty of unwittingly perpetuating the politicians, of yesteryear, exploitation of the category error that separates religion and politics. You would do yourselves a tremendous favor if you recognized religions as political parties, so they could be debated in legislation, as it is you give religions the excuse from political scrutiny.

...I am very confident that the Christians will be willing to help me with this process, and they will not hassle me about being an atheist, and I will be obliged to credit them for their help - do you think it is possible that atheists, like you, might be able to help?

TrainWreck, I seriously hesitate to respond to your post. I thank you for sharing your circumstances and you have my empathy, but I also think it explains a bit more about you. But I will attempt to address at least one of your flawed presumptions.

First of all, you presume to know me and my agenda - along with anyone else on this forum. You claim to be the only one that knows what is wrong and the only one that has an effective solution - all people have to do is understand your classification system and the problem is resolved. Theists and nontheists will live happily ever after together in a world where bipartisanship will be an everyday experience.

Where do you account for flawed assumptions in your categorical schematic? You know absolutely nothing about me, or anyone else here. You came on this board with piss and vinegar, berating everyone here and thumping your chest about how smart you are. You lost credibility from your first post on. No one wants to "hang out" with "that guy." If you are like that in your real life and not just your internet-forum life, I hate to say it, but be prepared for many more years of homelessness. That's not being mean, that's just stating a truth.

I would argue there is a political component that is compatible with atheism. Atheists need to self-identify and show that we are not a minority that is smaller than Jews, or Mormons, or Muslims - we, combined, outnumber those three religions combined nearly 4 to 1. We lack a cohesiveness, but that is changing. Forums such as this, social networks such as Facebook, meeting groups, etc., are showing our numbers to be growing and coalescing.

That said, all Christians do not share a common political ideology - and neither is it the same for atheists. It will take time to develop.

As far as the help you desire to receive, what do you require? If you are confident that your Christian friends will take care of you, I doubt there is anyone here that would tell you not to accept help where offered, by whomever chooses to offer you assistance. As for me, I'm inclined to help people that are at least inclined to be gracious about receiving help. I don't need or expect anything in return other common courtesy, which I've yet to see you offer anyone here - which makes providing you help problematic...

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24-03-2011, 12:14 PM (This post was last modified: 25-03-2011 01:11 AM by Observer.)
RE: Oh yeah, you really think you care about helping the poor - prove it!
(23-03-2011 04:16 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  ]I am homeless. I was lucky, when I panhandled and saved enough to buy a $250.00 Acer AspireOne in December 2009, to replace the broken $200.00 Dell Inspiron I bought in February 2008. Here are the pictures.[Image: Tiger%20Woods%203.PNG][Image: Gov%20Spitzer%2002.02.08.jpg]
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24-03-2011, 01:18 PM (This post was last modified: 24-03-2011 01:57 PM by TrainWreck.)
RE: Oh yeah, you really think you care about helping the poor - prove it!
Thank you, Observer, for bring the photos up to viewable.
(23-03-2011 05:32 PM)Seasbury Wrote:  As for me, I'm inclined to help people that are at least inclined to be gracious about receiving help. I don't need or expect anything in return other common courtesy, which I've yet to see you offer anyone here - which makes providing you help problematic...
Well, my experience with the poor and homeless, from NYC, to a line from San Antonio to Duluth, Minn., is an experience of very ungrateful people - I do not believe you have any experience with dealing with the poor. You need to put some time into it like the Christians - every week, or every day, passing out food at the soup kitchens, taking the abuse from these ungrateful sloths.

I have never witnessed what you are describing.

Tell me the town you live in, and I will meet you at the shelter, and we will conduct a scientific observation of the situation.
(23-03-2011 05:32 PM)Seasbury Wrote:  You claim to be the only one that knows what is wrong and the only one that has an effective solution - all people have to do is understand your classification system and the problem is resolved. Theists and nontheists will live happily ever after together in a world where bipartisanship will be an everyday experience.
It will be a multi-segregated society, at best, in our lifetimes. Getting it down to a bipartisan society is centuries away, but it will happen - that is the crux of the atheists cause. And by the way the "parties' will be concerned with the argument of determinism.

I favor determinism - the belief in free will is a figment of the perception created by the margin of human error.

And, your decedents will be compelled to memorize the categories list of the classification system I have devised, just as they are compelled to memorize multiplication tables - so as, to facilitate efficient browsing of the larger system. We did not learn to memorize the Dewey Decimal system's classes, because the the collation system was erroneous, and rendered the system ineffective for determining category error in arguments. Would you not agree that the memorization of multiplication tables is an effectual exercise for the betterment of society - why?

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24-03-2011, 02:37 PM
RE: Oh yeah, you really think you care about helping the poor - prove it!
(23-03-2011 05:32 PM)Seasbury Wrote:  If you are like that in your real life and not just your internet-forum life, I hate to say it, but be prepared for many more years of homelessness. That's not being mean, that's just stating a truth.
I believe I am going to be filthy rich, because of my devising of the Secular Library Classification system - every library system will be compelled to subscribe to it, including the Library of Congress.

I may be a lonely old man for years to come, but I won't be homeless much longer - think, "WINNING!"

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24-03-2011, 03:17 PM
RE: A question to my religious friends
(23-03-2011 04:16 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  The difference between me and all of you is that I know what is wrong and have solution(s)

I was going to go on tirade, but then I saw the other posts. You are clearly not well. I hope you find the peace that you seek.

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24-03-2011, 04:01 PM
RE: A question to my religious friends
Well, that settles it, because my peace will be everyone's peace.

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25-03-2011, 01:12 AM
RE: A question to my religious friends
(24-03-2011 04:01 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  Well, that settles it, because my peace will be everyone's peace.
pls explain

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25-03-2011, 03:04 PM
RE: A question to my religious friends
Well, I'll cease the behavior that causes people to disapprove of my brilliance. And if that requires Secret Service escort, . . . then let's get that going.

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25-03-2011, 04:58 PM
RE: A question to my religious friends
(22-03-2011 02:51 AM)The_observer Wrote:  Who are you that you actually know the reason why money is kept? Think you got your facts straight?

So far I haven't seen you getting any facts straight.

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25-03-2011, 05:57 PM (This post was last modified: 25-03-2011 06:21 PM by TrainWreck.)
RE: A question to my religious friends
(22-03-2011 11:21 AM)The_observer Wrote:  
(22-03-2011 09:00 AM)TrainWreck Wrote:  
(22-03-2011 02:51 AM)The_observer Wrote:  Who are you that you actually know the reason why money is kept? Think you got your facts straight?
I'm pretty smart, especially compared to all the others who just merely sucked-up to the opening poster's Christian bashing, when the answer to the question is obvious - as I answered it.

Yes - I have my facts straight.
You might have misunderstood the question.
Yes, I did.
(22-03-2011 11:21 AM)The_observer Wrote:  I asked WHO you are. Not HOW SMART you are.
Answering a straight question in a rhetorical way does not really give an answer. It just shows you handle language very well.
Yeah, I guess so - thanks.

(22-03-2011 11:21 AM)The_observer Wrote:  No, I was more thinking among the lines of:
-I am minister in a church
-I studied this at school
-I've read a lot: here are my sources

you know... the "honest discussion stuff"

so about those facts...
care to share?
I heard Bill O'Reilly on talk radio make the argument for such accountability many times, and it resonated with me - I memorized its general logic system and applied it to the opening post's attacking question. And I would bet O'Reilley's argument has had a considerable amount of FauxNews airtime. And we all know how those sheeple, who hang on every word from FauxNews, will just pick up any catch phrase that spews out of FauxNews and run with it as if it were their own reasoning, like I did, because they do not know how to think critically for themselves, like you and all the rest of the atheists who realize the fault of the logic.

Facts???

How about that issue a year ago about the ATM in Vegas accepting California WIC cards?

I know that loop hole was fixed, but I bet there are plenty of others. Like I know some guys will pay 75 cents cash for each dollar on the the card - understand that ploy and how the money is then spent on goods that the card is not allowed to be spent on? If you want I can introduce you to some of the guys who do that in your neighborhood???

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