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10-08-2015, 10:37 PM (This post was last modified: 10-08-2015 10:41 PM by RocketSurgeon76.)
RE: A rebuttal
And while I'm on the subject of Asherah, the goddess... did anyone see the series "The Red Tent", that played on Lifetime channel back in December 2014? It was about a group of Israelite women (the red tent was literally where they went during their menstrual week, when Gawd said they had to be isolated from the men, and thus served as something of a social club and center of feminine worship), the wives and daughters of Jacob, who secretly worshiped Asherah when the men weren't looking. I really enjoyed it. Recommended. Smile

http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/the-red-tent

(Edited to add which specific Israelite women.)

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11-08-2015, 02:28 PM
RE: A rebuttal
(10-08-2015 09:14 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  Alla, please explain the following words from Jeebus...
Do you mean words from Jesus?
Sure, I will explain.
(10-08-2015 09:14 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! ...woe to you, blind guides...You blind fools!... You blind men!... You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell?” (Matt. 23:13–34, NJB.)
He is talking about spirit prison or pit. There are many references to this pit or prison in the Bible. All evil people will spend some time in spirit prison then they will be out. Biblical Prophets told us about this many times. Then they will be resurrected. Then they will be judged. Then most likely they will enter Telestial glory or as Paul called it "glory of stars".
(10-08-2015 09:14 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  “Well then, just as the darnel is gathered up and burnt in the fire, so it will be at the end of time. The Son of Man will send his angels and they will gather out of his kingdom all things that provoke offences and all who do evil, and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and grinding of teeth” (Matt. 13:40–43, NJB.)
The same thing. Jesus us talking about spirit prison. But they will be released(according to the Bible)
fire is not literal. It is symbolism.
(10-08-2015 09:14 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  “Next he will say to those on his left hand ‘Go away from me with your curse upon you, to the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels’’’ (Matt. 25:41, NJB.)
The same thing. He talks about spirit prison and they who are in this prison will be free one day. (according to the Bible)
Why is fire "eternal"? Because it comes from eternal God. Everything that comes from eternal God can be called "eternal".
It means that eternal fire exists from eternity to eternity but it doesn't mean that someone will experience this fire forever.

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11-08-2015, 03:37 PM
RE: A rebuttal
(10-08-2015 04:52 PM)theophilus Wrote:  Here is an excerpt from Seth's blog:

Quote:If you believe the Holy Bible is absolutely, perfectly accurate and infallible:

You believe in the Satyr, a creature of Greek mythology. It is a man with a goat’s legs, ears and horns. (Isaiah 13:21, Isaiah 34:34)
You believe in unicorns, referenced no less than 8 times in the bible. (Numbers 23:22, Numbers 24:8, Deuteronomy 33:17, Job 39:9-10, Psalm 22:21, Psalm 29:6, Psalm 92:10, Isaiah 34:7)
You believe in the Cockatrice, a serpent hatched from a rooster’s egg that can kill with a glance. (Jeremiah 8:17, Isaiah 11:8, Isaiah 59:5, Isaiah 14:29)

http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/blog/9...st-Believe

I ran across a post by a Christian blogger which answered these arguments.

http://blog.joshuaagan.com/2015/07/18/gr...the-bible/

Gee.

The ONE TIME that actually quoting the Bible would be better than checking the facts, and the Christian checks the facts instead.

Here's the relevant quote from the King James Bible: Preface 16: 6-7

Quote:There be many words in the Scriptures [apax legomena.] which be never found there but once, (having neither brother nor neighbour, as the Hebrews speak) so that we cannot be holpen by conference of places. Again, there be many rare names of certain birds, beasts, and precious stones, etc., concerning which the Hebrews themselves are so divided among themselves for judgement, that they may seem to have defined this or that, rather because they would say something, than because they were sure of that which they said, as S.Hierome somewhere saith of the Septuagint.

Yes, the KJV had a preface, written by the translators who rendered older versions of the Bible into English. Here, they were justifying their inclusion of margin notes and alternative meanings, on the grounds that there were some words in Hebrew whose meaning had been lost, making them difficult to translate. That they rendered some of these words as "unicorn", "satyr", or "cockatrice", can be laid as a clear fault of the translation rather than the original. And it should be noted that the translators were NOT claiming that the version of the Bible they were producing was literal and inerrant. Just the opposite. They were flagging the areas where they were uncertain of their translation for all to see.

And that's why both this rebuttal (quoting the KJV preface) and the other blogger's rebuttal (suggesting that the unicorn was the rhinocerous, noting satyr myths dated to so-and-so date, etc) falls completely flat. BOTH OF THEM make no attempt to claim that the Bible is 100% infallible, inerrant, accurate, literal truth.

From the VERY BEGINNING of Seth's original blog post:

Quote:If you believe the Holy Bible is absolutely, perfectly accurate and infallible:

Followed by the list of unicorns, cockatrices, etc.

Was it translated wrong? Then the Bible (at least the one you're reading) is inaccurate!

Seth is clearly addressing the Biblical inerrancy crowd... and not the "original autograph" bunch, but the people who think they can flip open the KJV and find absolute truth, and Joshua Agan is clearly not part of that crowd. This isn't a rebuttal to Seth's informing people about the silliness contained in the book that they are claiming is "absolutely, perfectly accurate and infallible", because Agan isn't addressing it from the standpoint of that claim.

In fairness to Agan, this doesn't read like he's really trying to rebut Seth. Seth's blog is quoted more in the way of an introduction to the subject rather than the subject itself. He's attempting to make an original-autograph argument by saying the translation into the terms is flawed and that the original might have been something plausible. Which doesn't make it true, so much ward off this particular accusation that it's false. But it does push the "inerrant KJV" crowd under the bus.
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11-08-2015, 05:04 PM
RE: A rebuttal
(11-08-2015 02:28 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(10-08-2015 09:14 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  Alla, please explain the following words from Jeebus...
Do you mean words from Jesus?
Sure, I will explain.
(10-08-2015 09:14 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! ...woe to you, blind guides...You blind fools!... You blind men!... You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell?” (Matt. 23:13–34, NJB.)
He is talking about spirit prison or pit. There are many references to this pit or prison in the Bible. All evil people will spend some time in spirit prison then they will be out. Biblical Prophets told us about this many times. Then they will be resurrected. Then they will be judged. Then most likely they will enter Telestial glory or as Paul called it "glory of stars".
(10-08-2015 09:14 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  “Well then, just as the darnel is gathered up and burnt in the fire, so it will be at the end of time. The Son of Man will send his angels and they will gather out of his kingdom all things that provoke offences and all who do evil, and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and grinding of teeth” (Matt. 13:40–43, NJB.)
The same thing. Jesus us talking about spirit prison. But they will be released(according to the Bible)
fire is not literal. It is symbolism.
(10-08-2015 09:14 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  “Next he will say to those on his left hand ‘Go away from me with your curse upon you, to the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels’’’ (Matt. 25:41, NJB.)
The same thing. He talks about spirit prison and they who are in this prison will be free one day. (according to the Bible)
Why is fire "eternal"? Because it comes from eternal God. Everything that comes from eternal God can be called "eternal".
It means that eternal fire exists from eternity to eternity but it doesn't mean that someone will experience this fire forever.

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once again....no one who ever wrote of jesus knew him, and jesus never wrote down a single word that we are aware of ....soooooo you have no idea what jesus allegedly said, and damn sure have no idea what he allegedly meant. This is self delusion predicated on ignorance of biblical historicity.

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11-08-2015, 06:13 PM
RE: A rebuttal
(10-08-2015 10:30 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Found this interesting article on Asherah the goddess and possibly wife of Yahweh, while looking for the book title (for the 100th time).

http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily...lt-symbol/

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblia...ovah02.htm

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11-08-2015, 08:07 PM
RE: A rebuttal
(11-08-2015 05:04 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  sigh
once again....no one who ever wrote of jesus knew him, and jesus never wrote down a single word that we are aware of ....soooooo you have no idea what jesus allegedly said, and damn sure have no idea what he allegedly meant. This is self delusion predicated on ignorance of biblical historicity.
I just offered interpretation of those verses. That's all. Nobody was discussing who knew Jesus and what He didn't write.Smile

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