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09-07-2012, 12:48 PM
RE: A short perspective and question, from a Norwegian
Welcome to the forum!

From what I've been told, Norway is the best place to live at because it has the best healthcare system, the best education system and one the highest average income per citizen. Plus it has great landscapes.

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09-07-2012, 12:58 PM
RE: A short perspective and question, from a Norwegian
(09-07-2012 08:00 AM)sillinde Wrote:  There are problems in my country and I can read about them every day if I want to.
If you have people in your country you have politics and you have problems. Welcome to the human experience. Drooling Hobo Drinking Beverage Bowing Sadcryface Smartass Shocking Consider Blink Evil_monster No Shy

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09-07-2012, 01:41 PM
RE: A short perspective and question, from a Norwegian
(09-07-2012 12:48 PM)Vosur Wrote:  Welcome to the forum!

From what I've been told, Norway is the best place to live at because it has the best healthcare system, the best education system and one the highest average income per citizen. Plus it has great landscapes.
Well, I don't know about best. But pretty good yeah. There's one party I loathe, the socialistic left party. But one of their guys said something years back that I liked so much I've remembered it to this day even though it's...8 years ago or something. "Everyone might not be created equal, but everyone deserves equal oppertunities" And to me that is the part of socialism I like and want and vote for. I'm leaning towards the right parties...kind of, exept one is the christians people party (i shit you not) and the other is filled with nutjobs, leaving one somewhat sane party left.

My college education cost about 100$ per year pluss books, and rent if I wanted a place for myself. Student loans are state funded with half of it being deducted if you finish on time, because society wants you to be educated and working so they try to make it affordable.

Healthcare is affordable...that's something I've NEVER EVER understood about americans, but maybe you guys can explain it to me. We pay taxes and in return healthcare is relatively cheap or even free in some cases allowing anyone to recieve the medical care they need, granted there are limits on capacity and supplies. So if I'm healthy and I don't use the hospital the taxes I pay that go towards healthcare is spent on my countrymen who DO need it. My neighbour who had a heartattack, two friends of my dads. One with bone cancer and the other had liver failure and needed a transplant. But you guys have insurance, and the insurance business is one that makes money denying claims or charging extra money for people in danger zones, or even denying it outright. With car insurance this is okay, but healthcare? The people who need it most get screwed over and I can argue with a company over paying for my car as long as it takes, with cancer...it's pretty much do or die. And the leftover money doesn't go to new hospital equipment, more staff or helping others. It goes to pay executive bonuses and what not.

We both pay, it's just where the excess money goes and the thought that healthcare is placed in profitbased organizations I find disturbing.

Again, thanks for the kind welcome!
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09-07-2012, 02:16 PM (This post was last modified: 09-07-2012 02:21 PM by kim.)
RE: A short perspective and question, from a Norwegian
(09-07-2012 08:00 AM)sillinde Wrote:  Or maybe I'm wrong, has christianity left anything worthwhile in our culture that can't easily be explained by humanism, the increase of education and the introduction of demcracy?

Hello Sillinde - I'm glad you've found this forum! Sadly true, the US population is not commonly exposed to much outside it's own borders, so the few of us who would love to explore the world get very little information about Norway. I think the most insightful thing I've heard about the US from anyone in a long time is the statement you made, "… my friends would often comment that only the crazy people actually got any air time and the normal, sane people were just left to their lives and thus unknown to us!". That is right on the mark and I think explains why the US rarely hears about Norway, too… you guys are just too normal!!

It will be great having you around if we have questions, Norway sounds wonderful and relaxing and the photo you provided is just beautiful! I have heard about the film Dead Snow - I haven't gotten around to watching it, yet. I kind of have to be in a certain mood for it, but any film about Nazi zombies should be mandatory viewing, in my humble opinion.

The question you ask about Christianity having left anything worthwhile in our culture is a tough question for some. I think people struggle to name one good thing and many are often surprised when they can't. I'm not sure people ask themselves many questions when they think they might fear the answers. Like you, I can't see what any religion has done which would warrant special treatment or acceptance. For a change, I wouldn't mind seeing special treatment and acceptance for just being human.

Don't get me wrong; I think it's ok that people feel whatever they feel, that is human nature. But if those intimate feelings effect others adversely and outwardly, then humanity suffers collectively. In this way, all religion has retarded, and in many instances halted the progress of humanity at certain points, historically. I think however, the systematic restructuring of a single individual's personal feeling is the starting place for the dismantling of humanity.

Sorry - I didn't want to rant here. I just wanted to say hi and I hope you will find some interesting things here in a fairly comfortable atmosphere.

Welcome to the forum. Smile

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09-07-2012, 04:20 PM
RE: A short perspective and question, from a Norwegian
Norway... thinks the empty set is a letter... Tongue

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10-07-2012, 03:44 AM (This post was last modified: 10-07-2012 03:53 AM by sillinde.)
RE: A short perspective and question, from a Norwegian
kim, considering the size of your country I don't really blame them for it. I've taken trips to sweden, to denmark. But it's just like home exept slightly cheaper prices and somewhat different yet understandable languages (yet they really struggle to understand us). But we don't really think of it as visiting a different country in the same way as when we travel a bit further, to germany, england or any of the countries along the mediterranian (spelling?) with vastly different culture and mannerisms. I'm sure you guys can experience that without leaving the country at all. Granted the odds of being called a horse c*** rises dramatically from trondheim and north it's still the same culture mostly.

No worries about the rant, long replies are always welcome!

Houseofcantor, it's something I do to help me think. I tend to remove them but must have forgotten last post. But you're welcome to try my letters æøå. No copy paste now Wink

PS! If you ever visit Norway and you have alot of christian friends I know the best place to get them gifts. It's close to Trondheim so if you travel by plane you drive past it on the way to Trondheim. The town is called: Hell. I've been there! Lovely place, found a small diner with good food and picked up a few greeting cards. "Handmade in HELL" and "Greetings from Hell" are best sellers! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell,_Norway So come visit Hell!
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10-07-2012, 11:55 AM
RE: A short perspective and question, from a Norwegian
Sorry for the double post, but I'm not allowed to edit anymore. Today the amount of friends/people i know who are christian doubled! It is now 2. A friend of mine posted a picture on facebook saying "God owes us nothing, yet gives us everything". I thought it was a joke, a silly pun. Turns out it wasn't, I made a small remark to it and her respons had a very serious tone. Mine was more along the lines of baffled or shocked and when I called I stammered out "you're...you're not shitting me are you? pulling my chain?" This she, naturally, took offence to andasked how I could not believe in God.

I told her, if he did exist I would hate him with all my heart for the cruelty, suffering and pain he has brought upon us. What we do to ourselves is bad enough, but genetic diseases that give children slow horrible deaths (my biology teacher explaining how he lost a child made more then one person puke, several cry and still makes me feel sick), natural disasters that kill thousand upon thousands of people. If anyone was responsible I would fear the person, but not worship. Social antennas were going off left and right, there was no way this discussion could end well, I had no idea how to respond and make my point without sounding like a douchebag because I've never had to deal with this. Well, exept that one time Jehovas witnesses came to my door and I ended up getting hit in the head with a hardcover, I somewhat deserved it too.

But this is where you guys can help me! I stopped the conversation short and said she could believe whatever she wanted and if it made her happy I was happy for her. But something tells me I'm going to get confronted about this next time we meet face to face, so guys, I need help. How the hell do you guys do this and does it end "well" by any definition of the word.
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10-07-2012, 05:45 PM
RE: A short perspective and question, from a Norwegian
A solitary tao, atheism. It doesn't end well, it just ends.

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11-07-2012, 02:52 PM
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Yea - she's not going to be a happening thing. Her quest will now be only to "convince" and/or convert you to believe. Best to move on before you are both hit by a bus while she's trying to pull together two brain cells to grasp whatever you might say.

Oh, for future reference; if you make this face Ohmy during any conversation, that should be your queue to just stop, smile, nod, and step away from the deluded.


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12-07-2012, 03:38 AM
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You think it's that bad? Honestly I've had ONE experience like that, Jehovas witness and those bastards lunatics!

Norwegians are alot more...private, about our religion. Both my grandmothers are religious, you know how I know? I asked. I had to ASK to know. I've never heard them pray, I've driven them to church on occasion as I refused to let them walk in horrible weather and they never ever asked me if I wanted to join. They simply said "pick me up then and then".

Save me? I want to save HER! I just don't get how an educated, granted not higher education but 10+ years in the school system should teach you something! No idea how I can at least convince her to consider this is silly?

I don't know if you guys have this saying, but in Norway we sometimes say "One when person believes something that isn't real he's insane, when many people believe the same thing that isn't real they're religious" Best translation I can think of, rings somewhat better in norwegian though.
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