A short perspective and question, from a Norwegian
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14-07-2012, 04:44 PM
RE: A short perspective and question, from a Norwegian
Chas, not quite what I meant. Just saying, europe is mostly religious but not nearly in the same hardcore style in the US. And most of the southern countries are going to shit, they're bankrupting one by one. So yeah, somewhat secular people are perfectly able to fuck up the world as well.
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14-07-2012, 04:46 PM
RE: A short perspective and question, from a Norwegian
(14-07-2012 04:44 PM)sillinde Wrote:  Chas, not quite what I meant. Just saying, europe is mostly religious but not nearly in the same hardcore style in the US. And most of the southern countries are going to shit, they're bankrupting one by one. So yeah, somewhat secular people are perfectly able to fuck up the world as well.
I'm not following your logic.

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14-07-2012, 04:49 PM
RE: A short perspective and question, from a Norwegian
(14-07-2012 04:43 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(14-07-2012 04:37 PM)morondog Wrote:  Is that what Hittite chariots are made of ? Tongue
Weren't they bronzey?

No, pretty sure they were irony Tongue

Quote:"And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron - Judges 1:19
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14-07-2012, 04:53 PM
RE: A short perspective and question, from a Norwegian
Sorry, Ill try once more!

I believe humans, by our nature, are perfectly capable of fucking up the world without the help of any God. I don't think we're smarter, nicer etc in general. Just more enlightened. It doesn't mean we still don't do stupid stuff, like sending the entire country down the drain.

Southern countries in europe are struggling more then northern, and ironically the south is alot more religious without religion being the problem. Is it wrong for religious people to blame secular for all the worlds problems? Yeah, but I don't blame them for it either. Hope that explains it?

On another note, really starting to get annoyed with this language. I know the words, mostly, and can write and speak okay it's catching the meaning so others understand it that's tricky. Seems to require a slightly different logic then in norwegian.
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14-07-2012, 04:58 PM
RE: A short perspective and question, from a Norwegian
(14-07-2012 04:53 PM)sillinde Wrote:  On another note, really starting to get annoyed with this language. I know the words, mostly, and can write and speak okay it's catching the meaning so others understand it that's tricky. Seems to require a slightly different logic then in norwegian.
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14-07-2012, 05:03 PM
RE: A short perspective and question, from a Norwegian
We kinda have to learn it, since we're so few people. So we start with english in...either 3rd of 4th grade. And then in Videregående (highschool) we have to take a third language, usually french or german. Some schools offer spanish and other languages. Wouldn't say I could speak german though. I can say my name, age, that I don't speak german well and a few other minor things. I can understand alot of it though.

Almost forgot, thank you!
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02-09-2012, 09:41 AM
RE: A short perspective and question, from a Norwegian
(09-07-2012 09:24 AM)Erxomai Wrote:  Everything I know about Norway comes from The Troll Hunter and Rare Exports: Christmas Tale. That's how it really is there, right?
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02-09-2012, 11:04 PM
RE: A short perspective and question, from a Norwegian
(09-07-2012 08:00 AM)sillinde Wrote:  Last thing, which is where I'd really like input from people other then Norway. The main reason is I don't want a political debate, and in Norway that's what I'd get with words like nazi and communist being thrown around rather loosly. During a debate one man said we owed it to the "christian cultural inheritance" to preserve the church as state religion. I'd already tried to make my point several times, but this really made me angry and I had to rant.

Or maybe I'm wrong, has christianity left anything worthwhile in our culture that can't easily be explained by humanism, the increase of education and the introduction of demcracy?

First I need to ask who this guy is that made the statement. Is he someone that earns money if the church stays in power and by losing that would lose a job? If so the option might be to offer to preserve the church as a museum, thus allowing him to stay employed and rob the church of any power it still has.
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02-09-2012, 11:11 PM
A short perspective and question, from a Norwegian
(02-09-2012 09:41 AM)Outsider.girl Wrote:  
(09-07-2012 09:24 AM)Erxomai Wrote:  Everything I know about Norway comes from The Troll Hunter and Rare Exports: Christmas Tale. That's how it really is there, right?
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08-09-2012, 03:30 PM (This post was last modified: 08-09-2012 03:34 PM by Luminon.)
RE: A short perspective and question, from a Norwegian
Hi Sillinde!

So you're from Norwegia. I admit I have a soft spot in my heart for this country, for its high life standard and also I knew a guy from there who made some pretty cool games, drawings and programming tricks. I even debated one Norwegian preacher, I think. His best argument was "you've got to have an open mind" Smile

Let's say I'd be a visitor to Norwegia, how easy it is to get around the country speaking English? Not just in the capital city, all capitals are like a country of it's own... But other cities, countryside or even a family profile, parents vs. children. Here older people mostly don't speak English because it wasn't very useful during Communism, but younger people often do - and are so eager to practice English that they might not let you try to learn local language. And I was in France, where English literacy is really very low among all ages. And their French is terrible too Smile


(14-07-2012 04:53 PM)sillinde Wrote:  Sorry, Ill try once more!

I believe humans, by our nature, are perfectly capable of fucking up the world without the help of any God. I don't think we're smarter, nicer etc in general. Just more enlightened. It doesn't mean we still don't do stupid stuff, like sending the entire country down the drain.
Yeah! My country is quite secular, but it is getting stolen apart by extreme corruption in the highest institutions. My president is known to be responsible for a organizing a great theft of state property after revolution, privatization he called it. More like piratization. And the government, parliament and all other institutions aren't any better.
The churches had no say in the government, people don't vote for the religious candidates like in USA. But they recently the Catholic Church figured it out, instead of getting their candidates into politics, they just organize a theft of state property and split profit with politicians, no need to bother with elections. It's called "restitution of Church property" and it's giving up the estates that emperor Joseph II took from the Church around 1780's, I think.

I'm more surprised how it is possible that the legendary northern nations like Norway or Sweden keep their thieves at bay. It's not like socialism generates wealth, but it preserves it wonderfully. What happens to someone in your politics who gets associated with a strangely expensive state project or suspiciously generous lending of money?

(14-07-2012 04:53 PM)sillinde Wrote:  Southern countries in europe are struggling more then northern, and ironically the south is alot more religious without religion being the problem. Is it wrong for religious people to blame secular for all the worlds problems? Yeah, but I don't blame them for it either. Hope that explains it?
As for this, these mediterranean countries got selected out by financial markets to be attacked and brought down economically. It is done by getting them into debt, then decreasing the country's rating because it's in debt. With low rating, the financial markets are allowed to increase the country's interest rates, getting it even deeper into debt and having an excuse to lower the rating even more. It ends up with Goldman Sachs representatives appointed into government without elections, basically taking over the country. It could happen anywhere, Italy was 8th strongest economy in the world. Europe is about the last place in the world with decent social care, this is I think a reason for this attack.

I'm also glad to live in a social state and I'm totally horrified how Americans pay about 100 dollars just to stick their nose into a doctor's office and then much more, getting doubly ruined when some accident happens. Here we pay just 1,5 dollars for showing up. It was an unpopular recent step, but reputedly it brought a 50% decrease in patient attendance, so I guess it was worth it. Probably they were just old folks who needed someone to hear them out or something.

(14-07-2012 04:53 PM)sillinde Wrote:  On another note, really starting to get annoyed with this language. I know the words, mostly, and can write and speak okay it's catching the meaning so others understand it that's tricky. Seems to require a slightly different logic then in norwegian.
You tell me... Sometimes when I translate from English, I have to invert the order of all words in a sentence. This is why I think in English, but then there is a problem with explaining it to someone else, there are things I sort of understand in English but not in my language. I guess this is what you mean.
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