A theory for the origin of Christianity
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19-08-2011, 11:16 PM
RE: A theory for the origin of Christianity
(19-08-2011 07:44 PM)Joe Bloe Wrote:  
(17-08-2011 10:53 AM)theophilus Wrote:  The Old Testament contains many prophecies about his establishing a worldwide kingdom centered in Jerusalem.

They're not prophecies, they're just OT texts reinterpreted to fit in with the Jesus myth. Isaiah 7:14 is an example:

"A young woman shall conceive and bear a son and shall call his name Immanuel"

1st bit - a prophecy about the birth of Jesus.
2nd bit - don't worry about it, it's not important.

I absolutely agree with you Joe.

I can addd a little to your argument too.

Christians often claim the Old Testament prophesied details of Jesus’ birth, his missionary zeal, his miracles, his preaching, his betrayal by a friend, his death, his resurrection and ascension, as well as many other aspects of his biography. In fact, Christians often claim Jesus must have been the messiah because he makes so many of these prophecies come true. All Hebrew scholars deny this and they, better than anyone else, have an intimate understanding of their own scripture. I think that they are right, and Christians are wrong. Jesus was not the messiah predicted in the Old Testament for the following reasons.

Firstly, as Joe said, the New Testament authors crafted their story about Jesus to fit the messiah tradition, and what is more, there are numerous examples where they had a flawed understanding of scripture, or else deliberately changed the meaning of scripture, and then claimed Jesus was fulfilling their incorrect interpretation. Jesus’ genealogy, his birth in Bethlehem, his birth to a virgin mother, and his escape from Egypt are examples.

Secondly, the Old Testament writings that allegedly foretell the coming of Jesus are very non-specific and, therefore, cannot really be said to be predicting Jesus.

Thirdly, it is an undeniable fact that the Jews, the very people whose ancestors wrote the Old Testament, have rejected Jesus as their messiah. The Jews of the first century knew Jesus and his disciples and were intimately familiar with their own scripture. They were in a far better position to determine his status than anyone has ever been since. When Jesus failed to liberate them from the Romans, they knew he wasn’t their messiah. Why should Christians today presume to know better than Jesus’ Jewish contemporaries?

Fourthly, Jews nearly universally despised Paul ( the true founder of Christianity) and rejected his message. The idea that their mysterious perfect God could be incarnated in the person of a human Jesus revolted and enraged them. They refused to believe that their God could die, and they refused to believe Jesus’ death somehow addressed a primordial, sinful, nature of man. The messiah was never meant to be the savior of an individual’s soul, but of an entire people. The Jews of the first century knew what the prophets had said and Jewish tradition indicated; that a true messiah was supposed to prove himself in the historical arena by heralding in a glorious age in which Israel ruled and brought the pagan empires of the world to the realization of the glory of a single God, their god, Yahweh. He was supposed to build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28) and gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6). The messiah was to bring an end to the rule of the Romans and an end to exploitation, injustice, famine, disease, and war. Paul’s fictional Christ had been nailed to a cross and had done none of this!
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