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08-04-2015, 05:28 PM
A thought on world peace.
This libertarian is not me, it is a close friend of mine. I'm looking for others to engage in my opinion which he couldn't seem to agree with. I'm not asking anyone to agree with me but simply to hear me out. Through my reasoning Capitalism is no different than Communism in a very important perspective. By replacing a overwhelmingly powerful state with a eventually dominating elite within the powerful private sector all we are really doing is changing the title of who possesses the title of elite class. Capitalism in the sense where we allow the free market to have free reign with no government intervention or regulation and allowing it to balance itself out through competition and the fluctuating value of its resources. My question is why follow either extreme when balance can be found in socialism/moderate capitalism? Placing too much power in any industry seems hazardous to the masses which can result in great inequality and revolution that will create a weakened state. History has shown that elites abuse their power regardless of what form they take, and then the working class revolts and replaces the elite class to eventually repeat the actions that caused the working class to eventually revolt. So my main question is basic in a sense, whether or not we as a species can live prosperous, peaceful and competitive. If the men and woman of any society can organize policies that weaken the powers of the elite classes which provides essential for survival, military, government, and private industry, then would we still need a elite class to govern a state effectively?
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08-04-2015, 07:09 PM
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(08-04-2015 05:28 PM)Goggles93 Wrote:  This libertarian is not me, it is a close friend of mine. I'm looking for others to engage in my opinion which he couldn't seem to agree with. I'm not asking anyone to agree with me but simply to hear me out. Through my reasoning Capitalism is no different than Communism in a very important perspective. By replacing a overwhelmingly powerful state with a eventually dominating elite within the powerful private sector all we are really doing is changing the title of who possesses the title of elite class. Capitalism in the sense where we allow the free market to have free reign with no government intervention or regulation and allowing it to balance itself out through competition and the fluctuating value of its resources. My question is why follow either extreme when balance can be found in socialism/moderate capitalism? Placing too much power in any industry seems hazardous to the masses which can result in great inequality and revolution that will create a weakened state. History has shown that elites abuse their power regardless of what form they take, and then the working class revolts and replaces the elite class to eventually repeat the actions that caused the working class to eventually revolt. So my main question is basic in a sense, whether or not we as a species can live prosperous, peaceful and competitive. If the men and woman of any society can organize policies that weaken the powers of the elite classes which provides essential for survival, military, government, and private industry, then would we still need a elite class to govern a state effectively?

Welcome to the forum.
In it's worst form a laisez faire capitalism sees big corporations and entrepreneurs running rough shot over consumers. This is often done in the name of personal freedom, with dumb but popular markets set up to entice the unwary.
Strong consumer advocacy,along with more diverse party politics can help reduce this type of exploitation.
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08-04-2015, 07:54 PM
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(08-04-2015 07:09 PM)Mr Woof Wrote:  
(08-04-2015 05:28 PM)Goggles93 Wrote:  This libertarian is not me, it is a close friend of mine. I'm looking for others to engage in my opinion which he couldn't seem to agree with. I'm not asking anyone to agree with me but simply to hear me out. Through my reasoning Capitalism is no different than Communism in a very important perspective. By replacing a overwhelmingly powerful state with a eventually dominating elite within the powerful private sector all we are really doing is changing the title of who possesses the title of elite class. Capitalism in the sense where we allow the free market to have free reign with no government intervention or regulation and allowing it to balance itself out through competition and the fluctuating value of its resources. My question is why follow either extreme when balance can be found in socialism/moderate capitalism? Placing too much power in any industry seems hazardous to the masses which can result in great inequality and revolution that will create a weakened state. History has shown that elites abuse their power regardless of what form they take, and then the working class revolts and replaces the elite class to eventually repeat the actions that caused the working class to eventually revolt. So my main question is basic in a sense, whether or not we as a species can live prosperous, peaceful and competitive. If the men and woman of any society can organize policies that weaken the powers of the elite classes which provides essential for survival, military, government, and private industry, then would we still need a elite class to govern a state effectively?

Welcome to the forum.
In it's worst form a laisez faire capitalism sees big corporations and entrepreneurs running rough shot over consumers. This is often done in the name of personal freedom, with dumb but popular markets set up to entice the unwary.
Strong consumer advocacy,along with more diverse party politics can help reduce this type of exploitation.

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08-04-2015, 08:03 PM
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thanks you @mr woofe, I personally have no issue with a free market, but freedom is power and honestly too much power leads to awful things so it needs to be regulated like having consequences for murder. If there was no consequence then murder would be at much larger rates, it would not self-regulate itself as some economist believe the market would for wages and rights among it's working class.

@metazoa, assuming you're talking about my friend, he isn't a asshole, he just in my eyes is misguided and has too much faith in people.
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08-04-2015, 08:56 PM
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I think that this is possibly the first time in history where true capitalism and free markets may work. In order to have a working system you have to have transparency and consumer choice and lo an behold we have this new tool that allows a marketplace where consumers have more choice than ever before. But this does place an onus upon the consumer to educate themselves.

I don't like incorporation, as it removes liability for decisions from the ones making those decisions. I don't like how businesses are currently regulated to promote large donators and stifle smaller companies and start ups.
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09-04-2015, 06:25 AM
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It all revolves around the irrefutable law of supply and demand. Pure Capitalism (which does not exist anywhere in the world and is unworkable given the reality of unequal abilities and desires) attempts to give this law free reign without any government intervention. Pure Socialism (which doesn't exist anywhere in the world and can not work) is when the government attempts to ignore the law and engineer abetter and more just system.

The reality is that neither Capitalism nor Socialism, in its pure form is workable. All existing systems are, of necessity, a mixture of the two.

If we believe absurdities, we shall commit atrocities.--Voltaire.

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09-04-2015, 06:41 AM
RE: A thought on world peace.
Not this again.

First point - You are opposing capitalism and communism - While communism may be anti-capitalistic, it is a political ideology and capitalism is just an economic system.

Second point - There is no such thing as a peaceful living between socialism and capitalism, either you have one or the other - You can have a social democracy where capitalism is reformed away from oppression (in theory) but since socialism is inherently anti-capitalist you can't expect it to live with capitalism because both are opposing systems. And because socialism asks for the workers to run the means of productions and directly take their benefits instead of simply exchanging labour for money it is fundamentally incompatible with capitalism.

Third point - Western systems and the majority of non-western ones are capitalism - You can bring up Sweden and say it is socialism but it's not - It's capitalism with social democracy but there's still a market, there's still means of production and people who control them, there's still corporations and workers still exchange their labour for money and don't get their profit directly.

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10-04-2015, 02:04 PM
RE: A thought on world peace.
(08-04-2015 05:28 PM)Goggles93 Wrote:  If the men and woman of any society can organize policies that weaken the powers of the elite classes which provides essential for survival, military, government, and private industry, then would we still need a elite class to govern a state effectively?

You need to generate the political charter that describes the organization that you are describing in theory.

Humanism - ontological doctrine that posits that humans define reality
Theism - ontological doctrine that posits a supernatural entity creates and defines reality
Atheism - political doctrine opposed to theist doctrine in public policy
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10-04-2015, 02:41 PM
RE: A thought on world peace.
Quickest way to world peace.





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Kill everyone.


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Hey - I said "quick" - not "best".

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