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14-04-2012, 06:58 PM
A threat to atheism
Joking of course!


But has anyone ever sat at their computer, looked around, and just seen all the absolutely inhumane, stupid, racist, bigoted, cruel, immoral (to the person viewing, not to everyone) things going on in the world--and find themselves wondering how this ended up happening? You know and can assume what led us here, but for a moment you almost think/remember what it must be like for a religious person--that something must be directing it, only because it's so screwed up that you hate to think that it could happen naturally without dieing off. Then you take a breath (literally, because a second passes), and you go back to cross-breading plants or create hybrids of habanero and bell pepper plants or something.



There are many days at my work where I see everything go almost in slow motion, where I look around at all the people and almost feel sorry for them. Some even comment about how they know that at least they'll be able to look after their children in the next life, or other types of things. The 'next life' comments really bother me (because of what will happen)... We've got a board for "motivation" and many have put up religious tracts, pictures of jesus, or other things. All the while they use racist slurs, degrade others, call women sluts (the nicer terms), degrading the homosexuals (we've got a few working there, gay and lesbian) team leaders watching porn while on the clock.... nothing showing their "religious" state. I sometimes just catch myself thinking "and this is the path evolution led us..."


Anyway, just kind of hoping I'm not the only one thinking things like this!
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14-04-2012, 07:39 PM
RE: A threat to atheism
The real issue is not religion per se but rather in how people tend to rationalize their behaviors when they know that those said behaviors are wrong.

For example, we have a family friend who is quite racist and knows she is. She rationalizes her attitudes by saying that is how she was raised which indicates right there that she knows it is wrong but apparently is i simply easier to keep doing what she is doing than to actively change her mind set.

Point is that people will keep doing stupid, sick, twisted and cruel things and some will even use religion or even lack thereof to justify it which is simply a cop-out for a deliberate lack of self control and personal development.

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14-04-2012, 07:48 PM
RE: A threat to atheism
I have a different reaction.

Every sincere bigoted, racist etc. comment and even the seemingly harmless "bless you", "god luvs u" pics etc. are an opportunity to challenge and educate or just make an impression on a by-stander who has been sitting on the fence (or by-standing on the fence).

No need to confront, just throw out a question e.g.:

What is your view on people who have a "Odin luvs u" pic on their wall? or

Are you saying that all muslims/gays/blacks/whites etc. are inferior? or

Evolution is a theory? Do you not believe we came from single celled organisms? So how do explain the reproductive system? Storks?

Say it with irony, say it with a twinkle in your eye and a comical look on your face and you can get away with it.

I used the word "sincere" above to distinguish from comedy which has no limits.

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14-04-2012, 09:42 PM (This post was last modified: 14-04-2012 09:45 PM by Thomas.)
RE: A threat to atheism
What Makes a Religious Fanatic?
• Self Righteousness
• Intolerance
• Excessive Certainty
• Zealotry

The old gods are dead, let's invent some new ones before something really bad happens.
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15-04-2012, 01:57 PM (This post was last modified: 15-04-2012 02:07 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: A threat to atheism
(14-04-2012 07:48 PM)DLJ Wrote:  Say it with irony, say it with a twinkle in your eye and a comical look on your face and you can get away with it.

Used to go that route. But now that twinkle in my eye and comical look on my face invariably turns into uncontrollable laughter stopped only by the inevitable hiccups. And I hate hiccups.

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17-04-2012, 09:52 AM
RE: A threat to atheism
(14-04-2012 07:39 PM)Dragon-Wolf Wrote:  The real issue is not religion per se but rather in how people tend to rationalize their behaviors when they know that those said behaviors are wrong.

I would have to disagree with you on this point. I think I know what you are trying to say, that the follower should still take responsibility for their actions instead of blaming the religion. However, religion is what condones and sanctifies horrific acts and beliefs by its followers. Treat the disease, not the symptom.
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17-04-2012, 10:47 AM
 
RE: A threat to atheism
So, you think the religious should behave better. But you don't believe in God.
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17-04-2012, 11:12 AM
RE: A threat to atheism
No, the religious believe that they are and behave better. But they don't.

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17-04-2012, 11:31 AM
RE: A threat to atheism
(17-04-2012 10:47 AM)Egor Wrote:  So, you think the religious should behave better. But you don't believe in God.
No one in this thread said anything like that, so I don't know what you are getting at. Furthermore, if that argument you alluded to was to be made, religious status has no bearing on a person's credibility when questioning someone's ethics. For example, I can question the morality of a Hindu person's condemnation of homosexual relations, and it doesn't matter if I am Hindu myself.
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17-04-2012, 07:14 PM
RE: A threat to atheism
(17-04-2012 10:47 AM)Egor Wrote:  So, you think the religious should behave better. But you don't believe in God.
Another non sequitur. What were you trying to say?

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