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22-10-2016, 09:11 AM
RE: AA - Atheists and Alcoholism
I figured you'd be OK. Seriously though, if you want to start a thread in the support forum about why you feel that way about the day, I would listen.
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22-10-2016, 09:30 AM
RE: AA - Atheists and Alcoholism
(22-10-2016 08:30 AM)ImFred Wrote:  
(22-10-2016 08:04 AM)adey67 Wrote:  Yeah binging, for me its not a problem stopping drinking its staying stopped I'm ok if my equilibrium isn't upset. I'm ok at the moment and have been for about two months thankfully.

Nothing too original to say. Avoid that first drink.

Sometimes I feel like a good drunk might do actually do me some good. It's funny how the brain starts to downplay the brutality of bad benders. You yearn for that drunken numbness. Or at least I do.
OMG it feels like you are talking about me. Its not the getting drunk that I crave, its the numbness that it brings, it turns my head off I need a break from my head and all the fucked up thoughts inside it. Sad
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22-10-2016, 09:54 AM
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Alcoholism treatment is going through a remarkable and revolutionary change right now. If you look up Dr. Olivier Ameisen you will find out about his discovery that a drug called baclofen can stop an alcoholic craving. This treatment has now been approved in France on a temporary basis and recent trials have shown sufficient success for the government there to approve it as a treatment. There are probably about 100,000 alcoholics now being treated with this drug.

The French organization which is furthering this development is AUBES: http://www.baclofene.fr/portal.php

There is also a US based support group for users of this treatment: http://www.theendofmyaddiction.org/

What has happened over the past few years in addiction treatment is that Heroin treatment with Subudone has now gone into a new phase with Subudone becoming a generic. The company which produces and markets this, Reckits Benckiser, who make Nurofen, have taken a huge hit because Subudone was their only product of this sort. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsb...claim.html

They engaged in anti-generic activities and are also under investigation by the FDA.

As a result of this they bought the patent rights to a new and more powerful baclofen derivative called Arbaclofen which was initially developed by Seaside Technologies for treatment of Frigile X syndrome: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsb...claim.html

Now Reckits are in the middle of trials to get this approved for all purposes including alcoholism so it can replace Subudone. http://faith-seeking-understanding.org/2...sm-part-3/

You can buy baclofen online or get a prescription if you go to the forum mentioned above. It's very controversial but it does work in most people who try it, depending on how serious the alcohol problem is. It does have some unpleasant side effects which go away with use but they are mainly somnolence and drowsiness. Some alcoholics, who may not be seriously ill with the disease, find this limiting but for those who have liver disease, the drug is already being widely used by gastroenterologists.

Alcoholism in many cases is simply a misunderstood neurological problem which can be treated medically.
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22-10-2016, 10:01 AM
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(22-10-2016 09:54 AM)Deltabravo Wrote:  Alcoholism in many cases is simply a misunderstood neurological problem which can be treated medically.

I tried high dose Baclofen for a month or two. Didn't work for me. YMMV. At least they're looking at the disease and its treatment more creatively now.

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22-10-2016, 10:08 AM
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(22-10-2016 09:54 AM)Deltabravo Wrote:  Alcoholism treatment is going through a remarkable and revolutionary change right now. If you look up Dr. Olivier Ameisen you will find out about his discovery that a drug called baclofen can stop an alcoholic craving. This treatment has now been approved in France on a temporary basis and recent trials have shown sufficient success for the government there to approve it as a treatment. There are probably about 100,000 alcoholics now being treated with this drug.

The French organization which is furthering this development is AUBES: http://www.baclofene.fr/portal.php

There is also a US based support group for users of this treatment: http://www.theendofmyaddiction.org/

What has happened over the past few years in addiction treatment is that Heroin treatment with Subudone has now gone into a new phase with Subudone becoming a generic. The company which produces and markets this, Reckits Benckiser, who make Nurofen, have taken a huge hit because Subudone was their only product of this sort. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsb...claim.html

They engaged in anti-generic activities and are also under investigation by the FDA.

As a result of this they bought the patent rights to a new and more powerful baclofen derivative called Arbaclofen which was initially developed by Seaside Technologies for treatment of Frigile X syndrome: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsb...claim.html

Now Reckits are in the middle of trials to get this approved for all purposes including alcoholism so it can replace Subudone. http://faith-seeking-understanding.org/2...sm-part-3/

You can buy baclofen online or get a prescription if you go to the forum mentioned above. It's very controversial but it does work in most people who try it, depending on how serious the alcohol problem is. It does have some unpleasant side effects which go away with use but they are mainly somnolence and drowsiness. Some alcoholics, who may not be seriously ill with the disease, find this limiting but for those who have liver disease, the drug is already being widely used by gastroenterologists.

Alcoholism in many cases is simply a misunderstood neurological problem which can be treated medically.

Thankyou for taking the time to reach out DB, its much appreciated I can tell you. Thumbsup
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22-10-2016, 10:11 AM
RE: AA - Atheists and Alcoholism
(22-10-2016 08:41 AM)ImFred Wrote:  Sometimes I wish I could drink my day away. I still have the problems that made me an alcoholic in the first place. Taking the booze consumption out of the equation is a big improvement but there's still a lot of pain.

Modify your sobriety plan to address those problems. Without addressing them, your sobriety will always be on thin ice.
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22-10-2016, 10:16 AM
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Besides not drinking what would a "sobriety plan" look like?
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22-10-2016, 10:31 AM
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(22-10-2016 10:16 AM)ImFred Wrote:  Besides not drinking what would a "sobriety plan" look like?
Trying to avoid your "triggers".
Staying away from people, places, and things that you used to associate with drinking helps. Thumbsup
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22-10-2016, 12:13 PM
RE: AA - Atheists and Alcoholism
(22-10-2016 10:31 AM)pablo Wrote:  
(22-10-2016 10:16 AM)ImFred Wrote:  Besides not drinking what would a "sobriety plan" look like?
Trying to avoid your "triggers".
Staying away from people, places, and things that you used to associate with drinking helps. Thumbsup
find the root cause that drives it, like today. You talked about trying to forget about today.
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22-10-2016, 12:41 PM
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I've dropped pretty much all my friends
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