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26-07-2016, 08:08 PM (This post was last modified: 26-07-2016 08:13 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: AA - Atheists and Alcoholism
(26-07-2016 04:22 PM)ImFred Wrote:  That's fine. But that's NOT what it means. It means some sort of God. Sure you can work around it but you cannot work around it and do the program honestly.

But fuck honesty if it works. But that shit won't work for me. I'm not like that.

I won't do group. I'll do one on one with a shrink and a therapist but I won't do group. I ain't interested in sharing shit or making amends or noting all my weaknesses or saying how I feel today or any of that other waste of time bullshit which tells me nothing I haven't already known for a long time.

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26-07-2016, 08:29 PM
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I don't know if it's placebo or just fear by the horrors others have faced but I think the meetings helped me persevere through the detox stage. I don't know what it can offer me concerning staying sober. It might even fuck it up.
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26-07-2016, 08:32 PM
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(26-07-2016 08:29 PM)ImFred Wrote:  I don't know if it's placebo or just fear by the horrors others have faced but I think the meetings helped me persevere through the detox stage.

Fuck, I wouldn't have tried detox by AA. They had me pumped on valium to stop the shakes. The DTs can be fatal.

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26-07-2016, 09:09 PM
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I already have a Xanax script and I visited my doc on day 3. She said my blood pressure and pulse were high. I just had mood swings and panic attacks but thankfully no DT's. I just figured if I did I would call 911.
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26-07-2016, 11:34 PM
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(26-07-2016 08:15 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(25-07-2016 10:33 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  For me, "dry drunk" isn't about whether you ascribe to faith, but whether you're addressing the underlying issues which make you think intoxication is a rational response to reality.

Hey now. I never agreed to give up inebriation. I need to give up alcohol. Giving up all sources of inebriation is not part of my agenda.

Whatever works for you, bud. I'm only interested in taking my own inventory. The "you" was general, and I'm sorry I didn't make that clear.
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26-07-2016, 11:39 PM
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(26-07-2016 01:38 PM)Stevil Wrote:  
(26-07-2016 04:24 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  Forgive my pointedness, but if you haven't been to an AA meeting and don't know what they do, why do you feel comfortable enough to write that it's unheard-of in your parts? AA meetings are like Vegas, what goes on there stays there. How do you know it's unheard-of?
Fair enough comment.

I was talking about group meetings in general, (not just AA meetings).

I've seen a youtube clip of a school board meeting, where all the time was taken up singing hymns and praising Jesus. I really don't know what it is like in some parts of the USA but it appears that prayer isn't limited to church or AA meetings.

Well, I don't really see the pertinence of your point, then. We were talking about AA meetings specifically.

There are plenty of meetings in America which don't involve prayer. There are many recovery meetings here which don't involve prayer. I'm sure there are some AA groups which don't involve prayers. There are plenty of each example which do. This is why a key piece of advice to an addict entering recovery is to shop around and find the group which works for them.
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26-07-2016, 11:46 PM
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(26-07-2016 08:18 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(25-07-2016 08:21 PM)Chas Wrote:  Have fun doing it on your own. Drinking Beverage

Make friends; mutually support each other; go to group therapy.

I have a shrink, a therapist, and an alcoholic wife who's been off alcohol for 5 years. Don't need no group setting and neither did my wife. Doesn't mean we're doing it on "our own".

Therapy, group therapy - whatever.

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27-07-2016, 05:51 AM
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(26-07-2016 11:39 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  
(26-07-2016 01:38 PM)Stevil Wrote:  Fair enough comment.

I was talking about group meetings in general, (not just AA meetings).

I've seen a youtube clip of a school board meeting, where all the time was taken up singing hymns and praising Jesus. I really don't know what it is like in some parts of the USA but it appears that prayer isn't limited to church or AA meetings.

Well, I don't really see the pertinence of your point, then. We were talking about AA meetings specifically.

There are plenty of meetings in America which don't involve prayer. There are many recovery meetings here which don't involve prayer. I'm sure there are some AA groups which don't involve prayers. There are plenty of each example which do. This is why a key piece of advice to an addict entering recovery is to shop around and find the group which works for them.

Not if you live in Jesusland.
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27-07-2016, 06:11 AM
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(26-07-2016 03:55 PM)ImFred Wrote:  
(26-07-2016 02:48 PM)TheQueenOfFrogs Wrote:  Your friends' experiences are really surprising to me. I never hid my atheism in any AA or NA meeting and I never had anyone try to convert me to any belief as a result. The only people I knew who lost their self-confidence and resolve by going to AA or NA meetings tended to be those who were getting their confidence and resolve from drugs or alcohol. I do hope your friends' religious brainwashing wears off without them losing their desire to stay clean.

At AA you are constantly told you must have a ''higher power" and it's clear through the literature and the rhetoric it's of a supernatural interventionist sort. The language is clear. You have to work the steps and the steps involve "God". Working the steps honestly and being an atheists is not possible. They directly contradict each other. You either have to cheat the steps or the God part.

I agree with you Boston. It is like that. Everyone at AA says the same shit like a brain dead robot.

As for me, I'm keeping my atheism because I have no choice. I cannot believe. I'm also keeping my intellect. They can act like cult members who can't think for themselves and swear up and down I can't do it without submitting to their steps but fuck that, I'm keeping my individuality, I'm not going to pretend there's a magic higher power, and I am not going to relapse. I'm keeping it all.

I did AA for years and you are dead right and totally on the money with your comments, it can be slavishly cult like.
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27-07-2016, 12:11 PM
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Thanks

Are you still abstaining from alcohol?
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