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28-05-2013, 09:46 AM
RE: ADHD
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/adhd.asp

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28-05-2013, 10:01 AM
RE: ADHD
My guess is that all these diseases, ADHD, Autism and, and, and... are caused by the food we eat, or mom ate during egg formation or gestation period, or dad ate during sperm formation etc..

From meat that is full of adrenalin because of the horrific terror the animals experience in modern slaughterhouses, to hormones they are fed, to chemicals bestowed on the foods by leaching plastics (almost all foods come in contact with it now for extended periods of time), to chemicals used in raising crops - no one ever tested anything about how all these chemicals interact with each other and with our individual body chemistry and genes.

In short, people ingest a zillion foreign substances now on a daily basis, substances we have not evolved (yet?) to ingest.

Outbreaks of diseases like cancer and disorders like ADHD are just logical. And since the species cannot survive in it's current numbers without mass production of foods, it will have to evolve to tolerate these things. As a matter of fact, as the human population continues to grow, we will see all kinds of things emerging.

Just because you don't drop dead instantly does not mean that you are not ingesting harmful substances.

That's my take on these things. Physical evolution is slow, and there are a lot of casualties along the way.

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28-05-2013, 06:23 PM (This post was last modified: 28-05-2013 06:28 PM by fstratzero.)
RE: ADHD
Meh I give up. It's a big pharma conspiracy.

Is ADHD a “Real” Disorder?

Social critics in prior decades (Breggin, 1999; Kohn, 1989; Schrag & Divoky, 1975) and the Church of Scientology via its Citizens Commission on Human Rights routinely have charged that professionals have been too quick to label energetic and exuberant children as having a mental disorder. They also assert that educators may be using these labels as an excuse for simply poor educational environments. In other words, children who are hyperactive or ADHD are actually normal but are being labeled as mentally disordered because of parent and teacher intolerance (Kohn, 1989) or lack of love at home (Breggin, 1999). If this were actually true, then we should find no differences of any cognitive, neurological, genetic, behavioral, or social significance between children so labeled and normal children. We should also find that the diagnosis of ADHD is not associated with any significant risks later in development for maladjustment within any domains of adaptive functioning, or social, occupational, or school performance. Furthermore, research on potential etiologies for the disorder should, likewise, come up empty-handed. This is hardly the case, as evidence reviewed in this chapter attests. Differences between ADHD and normal children are too numerous to take these assertions of normality seriously. As will be shown later, substantial developmental risks await the child meeting clinical diagnostic criteria for the disorder, and certain potential etiological factors are becoming consistently noted in the research literature.

Conceding all of this, however, does not automatically entitle ADHD to be placed within the realm of valid (“real”) disorders. Wakefield (1999) has argued that disorders must meet two criteria to be viewed as valid: (1) engender substantial harm to the individual or those around him or her and (2) incur dysfunction of natural and universal mechanisms that have been selected in an evolutionary sense (have survival value). The latter criterion is simply the definition of an adaptation as used in evolutionary biology. Disorders are failures in adaptations that produce harm. In the case of psychology, these universal mechanisms are psychological ones possessed by all normally developing humans, regardless of culture. ADHD handily meets both criteria (Barkley, 2006; Barkley et al., 2008). Those with ADHD, as described in the theory presented below, have significant deficits in behavioral inhibition and inattention (the executive functions) that are critical for effective self-regulation. And, those with ADHD experience numerous domains of impairment (risks of harm) over development, as will become evident below.




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28-05-2013, 06:29 PM
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(28-05-2013 10:01 AM)Dom Wrote:  My guess is that all these diseases, ADHD, Autism and, and, and... are caused by the food we eat, or mom ate during egg formation or gestation period, or dad ate during sperm formation etc..

What leads you to guess this?

(28-05-2013 10:01 AM)Dom Wrote:  From meat that is full of adrenalin because of the horrific terror the animals experience in modern slaughterhouses, to hormones they are fed, to chemicals bestowed on the foods by leaching plastics (almost all foods come in contact with it now for extended periods of time), to chemicals used in raising crops - no one ever tested anything about how all these chemicals interact with each other and with our individual body chemistry and genes.

How does the ingestion of adrenalin causes ADHD and autism?
What does the hormones fed to animals destined for slaughter causes ADHD and autism in humans?
What chemicals in plastics made for wrapping food causes ADHD and autism?
Which chemicals used for crops are causing ADHD and autism?
What leads you to believe that any combination of these things will cause ADHD and autism?

(28-05-2013 10:01 AM)Dom Wrote:  In short, people ingest a zillion foreign substances now on a daily basis, substances we have not evolved (yet?) to ingest.

What do you mean by "foreign substances"?

(28-05-2013 10:01 AM)Dom Wrote:  Outbreaks of diseases like cancer and disorders like ADHD are just logical. And since the species cannot survive in it's current numbers without mass production of foods, it will have to evolve to tolerate these things. As a matter of fact, as the human population continues to grow, we will see all kinds of things emerging.

How is it logical for cancer and ADHD to exist because of our food consumption?

(28-05-2013 10:01 AM)Dom Wrote:  Just because you don't drop dead instantly does not mean that you are not ingesting harmful substances.
Agreed.
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28-05-2013, 06:35 PM
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Apologies....
Where's the Obsessive Compulsive thread?

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28-05-2013, 06:39 PM
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(28-05-2013 06:35 PM)TheGulegon Wrote:  Apologies....
Where's the Obsessive Compulsive thread?


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28-05-2013, 06:48 PM
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(28-05-2013 06:39 PM)evenheathen Wrote:  
(28-05-2013 06:35 PM)TheGulegon Wrote:  Apologies....
Where's the Obsessive Compulsive thread?


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28-05-2013, 06:56 PM
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(28-05-2013 09:46 AM)nach_in Wrote:  http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/adhd.asp

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28-05-2013, 07:39 PM
RE: ADHD
(28-05-2013 10:01 AM)Dom Wrote:  My guess is that all these diseases, ADHD, Autism and, and, and... are caused by the food we eat, or mom ate during egg formation or gestation period, or dad ate during sperm formation etc..

From meat that is full of adrenalin because of the horrific terror the animals experience in modern slaughterhouses, to hormones they are fed, to chemicals bestowed on the foods by leaching plastics (almost all foods come in contact with it now for extended periods of time), to chemicals used in raising crops - no one ever tested anything about how all these chemicals interact with each other and with our individual body chemistry and genes.

In short, people ingest a zillion foreign substances now on a daily basis, substances we have not evolved (yet?) to ingest.

Outbreaks of diseases like cancer and disorders like ADHD are just logical. And since the species cannot survive in it's current numbers without mass production of foods, it will have to evolve to tolerate these things. As a matter of fact, as the human population continues to grow, we will see all kinds of things emerging.

Just because you don't drop dead instantly does not mean that you are not ingesting harmful substances.

That's my take on these things. Physical evolution is slow, and there are a lot of casualties along the way.

We would need infant brain scans of ADHD diagnosed children in order to lend any credibility to that assertion. I'm not saying it isn't plausible, but if it is, then the evidence will be observable at infancy. In utero even.

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28-05-2013, 07:46 PM
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(28-05-2013 06:23 PM)fstratzero Wrote:  Meh I give up. It's a big pharma conspiracy.

You seem to be hung up at an either or impasse.

I never argued ADHD didn't exist, I merely challenge both the frequencies of its diagnoses and the veracity of claims that it's a genetic disease. But those arguments aren't meant to mean the disorder doesn't exist.

As for the drugs being prescribed, they are indeed a hit or miss proposition and there is indeed a huge push by the pharmaceutical lobby to get them passed by the FDA as fast as they can be made.... with no objective tests available for any of the diseases any of them are purported to treat. That's not to say that psychotropics haven't or can't help someone who is suffering from some mental injury but it is to say exactly what the science says about them... nothing objective.

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