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21-11-2013, 01:03 AM
RE: About God and Knowledge and its nasty implications
(20-11-2013 10:39 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  The position I am characterizing is one that goes like this: There is a slim possibility that God exists, but there is no possible way the Christian God exists. What do you call that position if it isn't weak atheism?
Weak atheists don't have to think there is a possibility that gods exist. Most weak atheists don't accept any truth to that statement.
They merely lack belief either way.
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21-11-2013, 01:19 AM
RE: About God and Knowledge and its nasty implications
(20-11-2013 10:39 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(20-11-2013 05:55 PM)Hafnof Wrote:  You're still mischaracterizing a weak atheist position. It should be: I do not accept any god claim, but neither do I make any claim of no gods.

The position I am characterizing is one that goes like this: There is a slim possibility that God exists, but there is no possible way the Christian God exists. What do you call that position if it isn't weak atheism?

It's weak atheism as a general rule. However, depending on how you define specific gods, then you can get a specific stance; the concept isn't all that hard. If you define the Biblical god literally, then he cannot exists, as the Bible makes him a contradictory and illogical mess that defies all known science. If however you define the Biblical god as the forces of nature (effectively Spinoza's god), then it is unfalsifiable and falls squarely into the realm of agnosticism.

First you have to define a god, then you can evaluate it. Unfortunately there are as many biblical gods as their are believers in them... Drinking Beverage

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21-11-2013, 07:13 PM
RE: About God and Knowledge and its nasty implications
OK, I've read through the entire thread finally.


Where are the nasty implications? Did I miss them?

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21-11-2013, 09:19 PM (This post was last modified: 21-11-2013 09:26 PM by IndianAtheist.)
RE: About God and Knowledge and its nasty implications
(24-10-2013 07:18 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  He would have to create the concept to have knowledge about the concept. He would have to make it reality know about it in a real sense.
Well i just created the concept of the purple Chainsaw fanged t-REX with the ability to fly... IN SPACE !! and i didn't break a sweat!

AM I GOD NOW ?? why are you saying that whatever an Omniscient&omnipotent God thinks must be created immediately ?? that's a big assumption.
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21-11-2013, 09:41 PM
RE: About God and Knowledge and its nasty implications
(24-10-2013 06:38 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  Let me start making a point that while is obvious is often overlooked. In order to have knowledge about something blah blah blah....


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22-11-2013, 12:44 AM
RE: About God and Knowledge and its nasty implications
(21-11-2013 07:13 PM)Cardinal Smurf Wrote:  OK, I've read through the entire thread finally.


Where are the nasty implications? Did I miss them?

The implication is that if God is possible, then for all intents and purposes a Christian God is also possible. Which is a possibility I would not like to entertain were I an atheist.
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22-11-2013, 12:49 AM
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(20-11-2013 10:59 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  
(24-10-2013 06:38 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  If you acknowledge that God might be possible, you have to acknowledge that it might be possible you are on the road to hell.

...and you have to also "acknowledge the possibility" that monkeys will fly out of my butt.

I don't have to acknowledge the possibility of anything. But if I did acknowledge that it was possible that monkeys fly out of your butt, I would have to also acknowledge the possibility the species of monkey flying out of your butt is macaque.
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22-11-2013, 01:00 AM
RE: About God and Knowledge and its nasty implications
(22-11-2013 12:44 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(21-11-2013 07:13 PM)Cardinal Smurf Wrote:  OK, I've read through the entire thread finally.


Where are the nasty implications? Did I miss them?

The implication is that if God is possible, then for all intents and purposes a Christian God is also possible. Which is a possibility I would not like to entertain were I an atheist.

How cute, you still don't get the distinction between possibility and probability. Drinking Beverage

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22-11-2013, 01:13 AM (This post was last modified: 22-11-2013 01:16 AM by Heywood Jahblome.)
RE: About God and Knowledge and its nasty implications
(22-11-2013 01:00 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(22-11-2013 12:44 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  The implication is that if God is possible, then for all intents and purposes a Christian God is also possible. Which is a possibility I would not like to entertain were I an atheist.

How cute, you still don't get the distinction between possibility and probability. Drinking Beverage

I understand the distinction quite well.

Possibility is a thing that may be the case.
Probability is an estimate of the likelihood of a thing being the case.

Suppose you have a bin full of marbles. It contains an infinite number of white marbles but only one red marble. If you randomly select a marble from the bin it is possible to pick the red one. The probability you will pick the red one is for all intents and purposes 0.

Now supposing picking the red marble meant you were executed. You could be pretty confident making a draw and surviving, but you still have to entertain the notion that it is possible you could lose your head. Not a possibility I would like to entertain.
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22-11-2013, 01:24 AM
RE: About God and Knowledge and its nasty implications
(22-11-2013 01:13 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(22-11-2013 01:00 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  How cute, you still don't get the distinction between possibility and probability. Drinking Beverage

I understand the distinction quite well.

Possibility is a thing that may be the case.
Probability is an estimate of the likelihood of a thing being the case.

Suppose you have a bin full of marbles. It contains an infinite number of white marbles but only one red marble. If you randomly select a marble from the bin it is possible to pick the red one. The probability you will pick the red one is for all intents and purposes 0.

Now supposing picking the red marble meant you were executed. You could be pretty confident making a draw and surviving, but you still have to entertain the notion that it is possible you could lose your head. Not a possibility I would like to entertain.

It's good to know that your risk aversion is so great that you'll worship one particular god on the 1 in infinite chance it actually exists. Okay, then which god? Do you worship Yahweh, Jesus, or Allah? I would imagine Allah, seeing as how he has the worst possible version of Hell designated for non-believers.

If your risk aversion is that high, do you ever get into a motor vehicle? Because at this point, the likelihood of you dying in an auto accident is orders of magnitude greater than your chance of drawing the red marble. So I take it that since you don't want the pick the red marble, you likewise don't want to entertain the remote possibility of an auto accident. So I'll just assume you're a social recluse that never leaves your underground bomb shelter.

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